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Thread: Undertraining Vs Overtraining

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    Back to one of my previous questions on this thread. We know that if you stay at a low intensity and high volume, then you will see hypertrophy. Is this not what we stay away from in elite sprinting? Why not periodize to keep the nervous system fresh instead of purposefully going stale??

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    DCW23:It all comes down to recovery and timing elements. Simple and to the point.

    The question I would ask is how much volume is enough to attain the best return? Of course, it's all going to be individual. As I have pointed out on the old forum, my volume is dictated by my ability to maintain the desired intensity level. When that level can't be maintained, why continue?

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    Tim Lane
    "The only way not to overtrain is to perform some type of recovery everyday"

    You have a point, but I don't think this is the ONLY way not to overtrain. The only way to prevent overtraining IMO, is to properly manage the volume, intensity, AND recovery. I would think that volume is the most crucial element in managing training stress.



    dlive11

    "Back to one of my previous questions on this thread. We know that if you stay at a low intensity and high volume, then you will see hypertrophy. Is this not what we stay away from in elite sprinting? Why not periodize to keep the nervous system fresh instead of purposefully going stale??"


    Periodize what part of it though? I think why not just stay away from the high volume/low intensity work? Other than where needed of course. (GPP, hypertrophy phases, etc.) On this I think we agree?

    I wasn't at the NC seminar, but I do remember Charlie saying in the Van seminar that adjusting the volume is a key point in his vertical integration model. All elements are present, at relatively high intensities (where applicable) all year round; it's primarily the volume that fluctuates.

    I know theres a bunch of ex-seminar people on here, anyone want to chip in on my rant?

    The vertical integration model is one of the most fascinating and ingenious forms of periodization I've ever seen


    D.

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    Overtraining

    A distinction must be made between 'overreaching' which is short term and followed by supercompensation and 'overtraining' which is a chronic situation.

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    Ok sp if we're saying 'overreaching' it was always my aim never to go beyond my limit and always advocated undertraining vs overreaching. A few times last season I did find though that when I had overcooked it by doing sprints and weights all week on alternative days and was extremely fatigued. I had two days off and bang I exploded with a PR when I thought I'd be lucky to get out of the blocks. I guess it's major supercompensation. I wonder to what extent this is a personal thing?!

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    Druze
    I believe we are in 100% agreement on this subject, just saying things differently. I am not suggesting to periodize this type of workout into a program, I am just questioning why someone would take out CNS work and just focus on high volume lifting. This is more for body-building than for sprinting. I am in total agreement about using the vertical intergration system.

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    i agree with the term overeaching (good point NEO) rather than over training.

    ive also set new PRs recently on days when i didnt expect to have anything special in the tank (UTH) ie begining of a recovery, no powerdrive no lucky socks etc...
    Everytime I watch that movie I can't believe Drago loses.

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    dlive11

    Yah I figured we were

    I was just kind of supporting your side of the argument in my own long winded way

    D.

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    Thanks Druze!
    I gotcha.

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    The thing is - you can deliberately induce incomplete recovery for a period of time, and then backoff for a period of greater gains. That is the basics of it anyway

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