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    Re: Form Critique - What Should I Work On?

    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    He’s a beginner and doesn’t have a coach and asked a bad question. Don’t point out all his faults or beat the shit out of him Bc he doesn’t know. What good is pointing out all of that? To prove to us you know? We know that you know. We’re so beyond that now.
    RB34 was on the right path...
    Charlie would not have told anyone all Of that...Ever!
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    How is asking for video analysis from more experienced people a bad question? No one is beating the shit out of me, I appreciate all the replies.
    I've lived in this town for 30 years, there are some good grass hills but the incline are too steep. Anything with a low enough incline is either <15m or inconsistent (wavy)

    RB, I've never tried a single leg triple jump, I can't imagine I'm anywhere near 3x broad jump though. I'll find out.

    Pioneer, I don't know what you meant by "... and not enough of strides are you landing with your knees more ahead of your feet". Guessing there's a typo in there and you meant the same thing RB said about reach with my foot during accelerations.

    I'm going on vacation the next two weeks, hopefully can continue some meaningful training during quarantine after. Thanks for the help guys.

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    Oh boy. Let’s take this up after you get back.
    CF covers most of your issues in his videos without pointing out all the things you can’t do right yet.
    It’s a natural smooth way to go about it.
    Pioneer means well. Maybe he needs a reminder, but he means well. I’ve learned a ton from him.

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    Re: Form Critique - What Should I Work On?

    Quote Originally Posted by vision1 View Post
    How is asking for video analysis from more experienced people a bad question? No one is beating the shit out of me, I appreciate all the replies.
    I've lived in this town for 30 years, there are some good grass hills but the incline are too steep. Anything with a low enough incline is either <15m or inconsistent (wavy)

    RB, I've never tried a single leg triple jump, I can't imagine I'm anywhere near 3x broad jump though. I'll find out.

    Pioneer, I don't know what you meant by "... and not enough of strides are you landing with your knees more ahead of your feet". Guessing there's a typo in there and you meant the same thing RB said about reach with my foot during accelerations.

    I'm going on vacation the next two weeks, hopefully can continue some meaningful training during quarantine after. Thanks for the help guys.
    I'm not sure what in the hell that other response was all about-glad you, Vision1- can see my intention was to provide feedback and not beating someone up (ridiculous reaction) even if it did not fit with the OP's ideal of that. You certainly don't want to try to correct numerous issues at once but I don't post that often on here anymore so I suggested a few more things than I would if we were having a regular, ongoing conversation. If you are using a block or 3 or 4 pt. start the spacing has a large impact on the starting/set position and that's going to affect your start and your accel. I'm guessing your front foot is closer than 2 steps in? I'd suggest moving it back to at least 2 steps.

    Vision1, It was just another way of describing that it appears you are casting your lower leg open and it's causing you come to more vertical shin positions earlier than necessary. Mann said at least a block start (3 point would likely not be too different) is roughly 50% horizontal and 50% vertical forces and each step after that becomes more vertical and less horizontal though you want to avoid making that transition too rapid. I've seen even some mid 10 guys cast out/open prematurely and keeps their acceleration phase from being as smooth as it should be and limits the velocity they can hit in various segments of any sprint and ultimately at the top end. So that's just a cue about keeping your knees ahead of your feet for a longer period of time during the start/accel. so it's a slightly more gradual process.

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    Re: Form Critique - What Should I Work On?

    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Oh boy. Let’s take this up after you get back.
    CF covers most of your issues in his videos without pointing out all the things you can’t do right yet.
    It’s a natural smooth way to go about it.
    Pioneer means well. Maybe he needs a reminder, but he means well. I’ve learned a ton from him.
    What is your problem? He's not a child, not sure how you think I beat him up, berated him?

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    Re: Form Critique - What Should I Work On?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    What is your problem? He's not a child, not sure how you think I beat him up, berated him?
    No problem, man. Poor choice of words from me. Baseball Dug-out talk.

    I suggest he takes Speed Trap with him. Always a good re-read.

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    Thanks everyone, no need to get heated. I understand both of your perspectives, you probably see the same issues and just suggest going about solving them differently (drills vs. active thought).

    Pioneer, I watched some 3pt instruction on youtube from a coach teaching the 40y for combines. He showed the lead foot only 1 foot distance away from the start line. That seems awfully close, I'm about 16" back and it still feels too close. I'm going to go back to falling and pushup starts for now but when I try 3pt again, I'll move my feet back a bit.

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    Re: Form Critique - What Should I Work On?

    Quote Originally Posted by vision1 View Post
    Thanks everyone, no need to get heated. I understand both of your perspectives, you probably see the same issues and just suggest going about solving them differently (drills vs. active thought).

    Pioneer, I watched some 3pt instruction on youtube from a coach teaching the 40y for combines. He showed the lead foot only 1 foot distance away from the start line. That seems awfully close, I'm about 16" back and it still feels too close. I'm going to go back to falling and pushup starts for now but when I try 3pt again, I'll move my feet back a bit.
    Those guys are stupid.... Back in my college days they use to teach us to get right on the line because it was less sprinting distance - SMH!!!.. Two shoe lengths sounds about right. Can't find the video right now but I heard chris korfist speaking on having a slightly wider stance kinda how some of the new starting blocks are built - suppose to help with acceleration etc.

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    Re: Form Critique - What Should I Work On?

    Quote Originally Posted by vision1 View Post
    Thanks everyone, no need to get heated. I understand both of your perspectives, you probably see the same issues and just suggest going about solving them differently (drills vs. active thought).

    Pioneer, I watched some 3pt instruction on youtube from a coach teaching the 40y for combines. He showed the lead foot only 1 foot distance away from the start line. That seems awfully close, I'm about 16" back and it still feels too close. I'm going to go back to falling and pushup starts for now but when I try 3pt again, I'll move my feet back a bit.
    Yeah, an over the top, unwarranted response just because the feedback was not in keeping with OP's ideal model.

    Over the years, 2 steps to the front foot or front pedal of the blocks as a minimum should be used-in my opinion. Charlie said it's 2 steps to the front pedal and 3 to the back pedal based upon the general principle that one's foot length is roughly half the length of their shin and this is a good starting point-figuratively speaking. He recommended that as a general guideline not something to be strictly adhered to but it does work for many. I've got a kid right now 6'2" with relatively long lower legs who wears size 11.5 so he has to take two steps plus the width of 4-5 fingers and it puts his front leg in very good position. Another kid (about 5'8"/9") is about the same (two feet plus 3-4 fingers width) and has improved his 60m by almost .5 in two years which is more than anyone I've ever worked with which is not say that's the only reason for his improvement, of course.

    Yes, try closer to 2 feet from the line to your front foot and you will already be able to get your front knee more in advance of your front foot.

    Over the last 5 years I've found many who should go two feet plus 1-5 fingers width additional space and with that have come more consistent and better absolute starts.

    Push-up (which for Charlie are not the same as prone starts), falling (Charlie's version were high starts), prone starts (in which you push yourselves up from a prone position).

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