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    Standards to Compete

    https://master-athlete.com/news/sing...pjBwj4FBheqwtU

    Oh boy - I asked about this months ago. There should be some kind of standard - just like the USAPL and other major powerlifting meets. Let's eliminate some of the fat!!!! Let's make people more serious about the preparation process etc.

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    Re: Standards to Compete

    no more random non athletes?

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    Re: Standards to Compete

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris6878 View Post
    no more random non athletes?
    This is something I think Singapore is talking about - it would be interesting..

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    Re: Standards to Compete

    I think it's a good idea to make standards associated with the Masters competitions.

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    Re: Standards to Compete

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    I think it's a good idea to make standards associated with the Masters competitions.
    Thoughts on the other part of the article?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB34 View Post
    Thoughts on the other part of the article?
    The rest of the article is complete garbage - establishment and centralised control. Insane for a non professional environment.

    In my experience of Masters only events (at regional level) is you have a great shortage of athletes already. Straight to finals, combine age groups etc. Further filtering is pointless, will be hardly anyone left. Cant speak for national/international level since I am not good enough.
    Check out the national rankings for Masters age groups. I see great spread in times across athletes meaning that whatever you do the top 8 or so will outclass everyone else whatever.
    Who is going to set the qualifying times - this is not a professional set up with paid administrators combing the world for the times/distances of all events at all age groups.
    A possible compromise is qualifying rounds at the tournaments at a simple cut off performance level.

    Nevertheless, this is not a professional sport, if you dont compete in masters competitions the point is noted but should be ignored as far as I am concerned.

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    I think performance standards for international competitions would be appropriate, as it would make them smaller and thus easier to organise. The number of competitors per event from each country should probably also be limited, so you don't end up with half the competitors being from the host country.

    At the local or regional level, performance standards would not make much sense. At the national level, they could be appropriate in countries with a lot of competitors, which is probably not the case in Singapore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldbloke View Post
    The rest of the article is complete garbage - establishment and centralised control. Insane for a non professional environment.

    In my experience of Masters only events (at regional level) is you have a great shortage of athletes already. Straight to finals, combine age groups etc. Further filtering is pointless, will be hardly anyone left. Cant speak for national/international level since I am not good enough.
    Check out the national rankings for Masters age groups. I see great spread in times across athletes meaning that whatever you do the top 8 or so will outclass everyone else whatever.
    Who is going to set the qualifying times - this is not a professional set up with paid administrators combing the world for the times/distances of all events at all age groups.
    A possible compromise is qualifying rounds at the tournaments at a simple cut off performance level.

    Nevertheless, this is not a professional sport, if you dont compete in masters competitions the point is noted but should be ignored as far as I am concerned.
    An excellent commentary and thoughtful response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin1 View Post
    I think performance standards for international competitions would be appropriate, as it would make them smaller and thus easier to organise. The number of competitors per event from each country should probably also be limited, so you don't end up with half the competitors being from the host country.

    At the local or regional level, performance standards would not make much sense. At the national level, they could be appropriate in countries with a lot of competitors, which is probably not the case in Singapore.
    I checked out the competitors in the 2018 world champs before my first post. A spot check on mens 100 and 200s shows heats, semis and final up to about M60. 3 rounds is not unreasonable. For 1500m it was heats through to final. Again ,ok for the athletes.
    After this age the numbers diminish markedly.

    What could be done to control overall numbers, ie the number of heats, is to abolish the M35 group. Set up a few years ago to equalise mens and womens age groups. And combine the age groups into say 10 year ranges at higher age groups. So what if a 70 year old gets his butt kicked by a 66 year old. He`s standing there thinking, so what, most blokes of my age are in a zimmer frame.

    Seems a bit unfair to have a large proportion from the local country. But, nobody gets paid so its who can afford it. As long as they move the champs around the world it all evens out. And whats wrong competing at a place with sun and a nice beach anyway.

    Sorry if this seems like a point by point rebutal. But athletics needs to be seen as a mass participation sport. It should not be measured or managed by professional standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldbloke View Post
    I checked out the competitors in the 2018 world champs before my first post. A spot check on mens 100 and 200s shows heats, semis and final up to about M60. 3 rounds is not unreasonable. For 1500m it was heats through to final. Again ,ok for the athletes.
    After this age the numbers diminish markedly.

    What could be done to control overall numbers, ie the number of heats, is to abolish the M35 group. Set up a few years ago to equalise mens and womens age groups. And combine the age groups into say 10 year ranges at higher age groups. So what if a 70 year old gets his butt kicked by a 66 year old. He`s standing there thinking, so what, most blokes of my age are in a zimmer frame.

    Seems a bit unfair to have a large proportion from the local country. But, nobody gets paid so its who can afford it. As long as they move the champs around the world it all evens out. And whats wrong competing at a place with sun and a nice beach anyway.

    Sorry if this seems like a point by point rebutal. But athletics needs to be seen as a mass participation sport. It should not be measured or managed by professional standards.

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    No need to apologise. I have no issue with differing opinions. Considering the fact that many masters athletes compete in multiple events, three rounds can be quite tough. I train for sprints, long jump, triple jump and hurdles, but there is no way I could do multiple rounds of each at a national or international competition.

    I also don't think it would be wise to abolish the M35 age group, as this group allows a seamless transition from senior to masters athletics. If your performance at senior level starts to decline in your thirties, but you realise that you can still be competitive as a M35 athlete you'll be less likely to retire from the sport altogether at this point. This was certainly the case for me. I had failed to reach my goal of a sub-11 100m as a senior (PB 11.01) and would have retired had I not found out that I can keep going and compete internationally in the M35 age group. I thus kept going and ended up with a couple of state records in the sprints and a fourth place in the long jump at worlds in the M35 age group.

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