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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldbloke View Post

    The drill triggered an MP moment when I realised the athlete was holding the bar across her shoulders, I thought why not a piano ...?
    Piano, lol
    I am dead. 😂😂😂😂

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    Guy's I wont beat a dead horse but I spoke to Chidi Enyia (Formerly of Altis, now just a consultant) about this subject cause I guess I made everyone's blood pressure rise when I said the drill is useless & will slow you down.
    Needless to say when everyone gave me every excuse why they use them & how they work, I answered & told them why they don't & how all your doing is slowing down your athletes by using "Toys".. Then I got alot of crickets & "But, But, But X company & Y company uses them"
    Welp, Chidi called his mentor (Vince Anderson who created the drill) & said I called his drill useless.
    Said the original version of the drill worked perfectly but the way alot of folks are using it is screwing up folks.. He said I was right, it is screwing up folks the way people are putting their spin on it.
    Long story short, he called & he spilled all the tea..
    He explained why Altis is losing folks left & right (employees & athlete's).
    How he was/is influenced by Charlie & his work.
    How he lived with Dan Pfaff (admittedly doesn't believe in the wickets, it was all Stu who uses them)
    Why Stu called out Charlie & said he was over rated
    Coach Ange, Correct me if I'm wrong, but Stu & Charlie were at Canadian National team together & he was basically jealous of Charlie & said he got too much credit
    But now he's taking the blame for alot of athletes leaving (Part of which isn't his fault)
    Said Stu likes a little bit of controversy
    Won't spill all the tea but Chidi is a good dude & we had a great chat about alot of stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander View Post
    Guy's I wont beat a dead horse but I spoke to Chidi Enyia (Formerly of Altis, now just a consultant) about this subject cause I guess I made everyone's blood pressure rise when I said the drill is useless & will slow you down.
    Needless to say when everyone gave me every excuse why they use them & how they work, I answered & told them why they don't & how all your doing is slowing down your athletes by using "Toys".. Then I got alot of crickets & "But, But, But X company & Y company uses them"
    Welp, Chidi called his mentor (Vince Anderson who created the drill) & said I called his drill useless.
    Said the original version of the drill worked perfectly but the way alot of folks are using it is screwing up folks.. He said I was right, it is screwing up folks the way people are putting their spin on it.
    Long story short, he called & he spilled all the tea..
    He explained why Altis is losing folks left & right (employees & athlete's).
    How he was/is influenced by Charlie & his work.
    How he lived with Dan Pfaff (admittedly doesn't believe in the wickets, it was all Stu who uses them)
    Why Stu called out Charlie & said he was over rated
    Coach Ange, Correct me if I'm wrong, but Stu & Charlie were at Canadian National team together & he was basically jealous of Charlie & said he got too much credit
    But now he's taking the blame for alot of athletes leaving (Part of which isn't his fault)
    Said Stu likes a little bit of controversy
    Won't spill all the tea but Chidi is a good dude & we had a great chat about alot of stuff

    Yeah at the end of this article Chidi also talks about how LHR has been pounded into the ground to the detriment of many athletes today. It's comical that places like "Fast University" are promoting such extreme methods to youth athletes. It's really malpractice. The way Ralph Mann has written his book is also problematic. While he admits that the writing is not a pedagogical guide, the language used to express some of the data can be misleading and can convey to coaches and athletes that they need to try to force certain actions (like trying to pull the foot off the ground prematurely, focus on knee angles, etc). There's even some well-respected members of this site who are in the "scientific research" field who convey their ideas in ways that can be construed or interpreted in a counterproductive manner. In fact, in some cases I would say that what they are saying is downright fallacious. It's a shame that things have gotten so complicated in this day and age. Charlie's wisdom is timeless because he kept things simple and practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander View Post
    Guy's I wont beat a dead horse but I spoke to Chidi Enyia (Formerly of Altis, now just a consultant) about this subject cause I guess I made everyone's blood pressure rise when I said the drill is useless & will slow you down.
    Needless to say when everyone gave me every excuse why they use them & how they work, I answered & told them why they don't & how all your doing is slowing down your athletes by using "Toys".. Then I got alot of crickets & "But, But, But X company & Y company uses them"
    Welp, Chidi called his mentor (Vince Anderson who created the drill) & said I called his drill useless.
    Said the original version of the drill worked perfectly but the way alot of folks are using it is screwing up folks.. He said I was right, it is screwing up folks the way people are putting their spin on it.
    Long story short, he called & he spilled all the tea..
    He explained why Altis is losing folks left & right (employees & athlete's).
    How he was/is influenced by Charlie & his work.
    How he lived with Dan Pfaff (admittedly doesn't believe in the wickets, it was all Stu who uses them)
    Why Stu called out Charlie & said he was over rated
    Coach Ange, Correct me if I'm wrong, but Stu & Charlie were at Canadian National team together & he was basically jealous of Charlie & said he got too much credit
    But now he's taking the blame for alot of athletes leaving (Part of which isn't his fault)
    Said Stu likes a little bit of controversy
    Won't spill all the tea but Chidi is a good dude & we had a great chat about alot of stuff

    i think vince anderson is a really great coach, but i dont think toys is why hes great. Hes a motivator and he coaches basics beyond the gadgets which are likely just wasted energy. His athletes run fast, and win. They improve over time. I look at results. He gets them. The toys to me are just a distraction, but it doesnt seem to hurt his people because they do enough real stuff. Stu on the other hand doesnt get results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    Yeah at the end of this article Chidi also talks about how LHR has been pounded into the ground to the detriment of many athletes today. It's comical that places like "Fast University" are promoting such extreme methods to youth athletes. It's really malpractice. The way Ralph Mann has written his book is also problematic. While he admits that the writing is not a pedagogical guide, the language used to express some of the data can be misleading and can convey to coaches and athletes that they need to try to force certain actions (like trying to pull the foot off the ground prematurely, focus on knee angles, etc). There's even some well-respected members of this site who are in the "scientific research" field who convey their ideas in ways that can be construed or interpreted in a counterproductive manner. In fact, in some cases I would say that what they are saying is downright fallacious. It's a shame that things have gotten so complicated in this day and age. Charlie's wisdom is timeless because he kept things simple and practical.

    http://jump-science.com/speed-scienc...heel-recovery/
    It's never ment to be pedagogical book in sensu stricto nor a key of how to move to next the level.
    IMHO Mann's book should be treated as a guide as to what we should observe as the athletes are developing and progressing to the next level, without forcing them into counterproductive positions.
    There has to context in which given positions, velocities, angulations are/ should be occurring. Looking at them without context is nothing but redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wermouth View Post
    It's never ment to be pedagogical book in sensu stricto nor a key of how to move to next the level.
    IMHO Mann's book should be treated as a guide as to what we should observe as the athletes are developing and progressing to the next level, without forcing them into counterproductive positions.
    There has to context in which given positions, velocities, angulations are/ should be occurring. Looking at them without context is nothing but redundant.
    That's what he might tell you.

    He also claims he doesn't instruct or coach athletes, and that it is someone else's job - I agree with that, he really shouldn't be coaching people based strictly on data. However, he does instruct athletes, with Seagrave's drills, which have been thoroughly dismantled multiple times before on this forum over the years.

    I have said it a few times, that his book should be read with high caution, and that one really needs to meditate on the data itself rather than his conclusions. Draw your own conclusions from the data, but be sure to base those conclusions on what you're actually seeing in a practical manner. It is a useful tool, that is all it is. Also keep in mind that this data really only pertains to some aspects of world-class athletes. Athletes who are not world class do not possess the same force production abilities and will be hindered by using such a model.

    Ben and many other of the best sprinters of all time never utilized the "shuffle start" or Mann's "golden positions". Charlie's book on technique is superior because it is practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmarcho1 View Post
    i think vince anderson is a really great coach, but i dont think toys is why hes great. Hes a motivator and he coaches basics beyond the gadgets which are likely just wasted energy. His athletes run fast, and win. They improve over time. I look at results. He gets them. The toys to me are just a distraction, but it doesnt seem to hurt his people because they do enough real stuff. Stu on the other hand doesnt get results.
    There is a time and a place for gadgets if/ when you wish to use them, however it needs to be done with a bit of thought fitting the context of your workout and the whole training program.
    Some coaches are successful without gadgets, some are successful with couple, some are successful with a lot of them, some are not😂
    Choice of the coach for which he/ she should be held accountable for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander View Post
    Guy's I wont beat a dead horse but I spoke to Chidi Enyia (Formerly of Altis, now just a consultant) about this subject cause I guess I made everyone's blood pressure rise when I said the drill is useless & will slow you down.
    Needless to say when everyone gave me every excuse why they use them & how they work, I answered & told them why they don't & how all your doing is slowing down your athletes by using "Toys".. Then I got alot of crickets & "But, But, But X company & Y company uses them"
    Welp, Chidi called his mentor (Vince Anderson who created the drill) & said I called his drill useless.
    Said the original version of the drill worked perfectly but the way alot of folks are using it is screwing up folks.. He said I was right, it is screwing up folks the way people are putting their spin on it.
    Long story short, he called & he spilled all the tea..
    He explained why Altis is losing folks left & right (employees & athlete's).
    How he was/is influenced by Charlie & his work.
    How he lived with Dan Pfaff (admittedly doesn't believe in the wickets, it was all Stu who uses them)
    Why Stu called out Charlie & said he was over rated
    Coach Ange, Correct me if I'm wrong, but Stu & Charlie were at Canadian National team together & he was basically jealous of Charlie & said he got too much credit
    But now he's taking the blame for alot of athletes leaving (Part of which isn't his fault)
    Said Stu likes a little bit of controversy
    Won't spill all the tea but Chidi is a good dude & we had a great chat about alot of stuff

    fucking love this story.
    sorry, my head has been in the christmas tree collecting the smell of pine.....
    LOVE IT
    Highlander,
    where are you?
    Where do you live?
    I want to come and visit.
    photos etc. we can use all that.
    Stu who? LOL kidding. Stu seemed like a not so bad guy. maybe he needs... you can fill in the blanks.

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    I'm in Michigan, along with a few others of Charlie's guys..
    Can't remember their screen names on here but we were supposed to visit back in the day but a huge winter storm stopped us.
    As for Stu, when I met him he was very cordial..

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    Highlander,
    Can you elaborate how people are putting their spin on wickets and how its screwing people up? Personally, Iíve never used wickets, mainly because coaches like Charlie and Dan Pfaff didnít care for them.

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