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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    Here is another point to my rant of sorts.

    Going into University the coach at that school I was attending basically had the attitude that all that mattered was the training. And the training sucked the big one to boot. But hey why did this coach need to actually know anything about caring about anyone struggling when he had plenty of kids eating up their training and had little comparison from before as they had not been accomplished at a high enough level to discern any concerns.

    Thank gosh I became as frustrated as I did or I would not ever had questioned any of it.

    I was not sleeping.
    I was not eating much of any protein.
    I had gained all this weight.
    I sought the help of the coach and surrounding staff to which they replied

    " you need to try harder".

    If anyone is having issues and not improving there are reasons.

    Lots and lots of reasons.

    Keep an open curious mind and don't give up until you find out some of the reasons and learn to help yourself.
    I natuarally am born with tendency to get anxious easily and excited more than others, on the flipside, never can really chill out. Even good things make me too excited to let me go to sleep often times.....it's just the way I am born. On top of that, my life is full of traumas as well, so both nature and nurture are working against me psychologically. Basically, born with a lot of "excitability" in general + a lot of painful experiences (mostly devastating failures).

    I know what it is like to work hard, there's no need to question my work ethic. If anything, I've gotten too many injuries from working too hard and not recovering enough. I want to work hard but recover hard too. I never take a vacation or time off unless I have injury. I only go out maybe once a month or so, and I still come home early.

    My body weight stayed very consistent and I am in full control of it. I know I can add/shave a good 5-10 lbs at any time whenever I want at will as needed.

    I always do my best to avoid a lot of processed food and get protein, fruits, nuts, seeds, fermented food and vegetables every day. Though not perfect, I believe I'm working hard for my given time and budget.

    I don't have a lot of money to do all kinds of thorough medical testing, but I'm pretty confident I don't have any major issues other than psychological issues. I just need to sleep well and perform better, and that's really all I need.

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    I am about to give tart cherry products a try. Just read an article about how it contains antioxidants and melatonin, as well as to help increase serotonin level, which helps to relax and to go to sleep.

    I'm reading more product reviews to see how it worked for others, I'm hoping this may be something that can help with my situation.

    I'm doing the juice tonight and I'll probably do gel capsules since it is cheaper and more store-able.

    Anyone tried it?

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    Take a look at Trudy Scott's online info regarding anxiety. I hope you find something there that is helpful.

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    Take a look at Trudy Scott's online info regarding anxiety. I hope you find something there that is helpful.
    Thank you, there are so many herbs that I need to learn about with regards to how they work. What is your thought on how many hours of sleep are essential, for recovering from training if everything else is good?

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    Thank you, there are so many herbs that I need to learn about with regards to how they work. What is your thought on how many hours of sleep are essential, for recovering from training if everything else is good?

    Dr Ferber was ( is?) a pioneer on sleep with babies. We used to hear and parents still discuss " did you or are you Ferberizing your kid" Ie = Did you read the book and are you following Dr. Ferber's sleep methods.

    We had an amazing masters client John O'Neil who worked until he was well over his 75th b day and he got less than 5 hours sleep.

    They know from space research and military training and research that humans can survive on very little sleep but that is not to say there are not negative follow outs.

    When we discuss min sleep needs vs how to thrive for high performance we are discussing very different things.

    Sport is also unique because say you are high performing outside of sport like Warren Buffet or Steve Jobs. ( Jobs may not be a good example as he died prematurely)

    We know some interesting things now about the brain.

    One is it's been and will continue to be for sometime well into the future that it's the new medical frontier.

    Neuroplasticity is a fascinating area of work and when I first met Charlie he spoke of the idea regarding using any amount of something positive to grow all areas. Now his comments were specifically regarding training but as a society we still want to deal face to face with the bad even if it gets someone no where. Instead why not take the good from yourself and grow that into what ever that can be to possibly bridge over to help other areas you are suffering from.

    Do contrast baths do anything for you? I am curious because it's a nervous system reboot if and when done well. Do you like to swim and do you like the water at all? What are the things that make you feel really really good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwave View Post
    Thank you, there are so many herbs that I need to learn about with regards to how they work. What is your thought on how many hours of sleep are essential, for recovering from training if everything else is good?
    You need to get to the root cause of your problem - if there actually is one.
    1. Are you lacking sleep and feeling tired most of the time ? If so consider a check from a medical practicioner to establish if there is an underlying medical cause.
    2. If your symptoms are clustered around training activities look at the comments on training intensities and volumes + recovery. Or take a break from training and see if it fixes the problem.
    3. If your problems have an underlying psychological root cause and are noticeable in other parts of your life, look at the suggestions on yoga, meditation, anxiety management etc made on this thread. Again consider an assessment from someone qualified to help professionally.
    4. You may be close to your genetic potential as an athlete. Or need a more personally tailored training programme to get faster.
    Do you truly feel that lack of sleep is slowing you down are you running out of ideas as to how to get faster and looking at something else to try (more sleep) ?

    Why respond to a suggestion on anxiety management with another observation on herbs, is that really going to fix your problem if you dont even know which of the above causes may be relevant. And there are no doubt others I am not aware of.

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    All good suggestions Oldbloke but do you really think he needs to know or fully understand the root cause?

    You could go to 5 doctors, each not having the knowledge of the the other experts thoughts and feasibly get 5 different takes and each one might have a golden nugget of wisdom or not.

    That does not mean don't go. Go by all means but again consider how much time and energy you will invest while you could be at home or where ever doing your training and improving your nutrition and solidifying other rock solid proactive health habits and what would the down side of this approach?

    Clearly anxiety is an issue. Begin to treat it and move ahead and move on and keep learning and leave no stones unturned and don't give up trying to get to the bottom of what you believe. And be prepared to be wrong and try something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    You are missing the point RB.

    My suggestion is that to worry may be a symptom of something greater. Anxiety is often an underlaying reason for someone, anyone who may 'not be able' to perform something physical.

    I am not suggesting protein shakes solve anything per say.

    But I tell you what. It sure can't hurt.

    There is an order of how you need to prioritize training. And the order does not skip steps. It might skip steps by trouble shooting but first you need to check things to make sure you can skip steps.

    It's an idea. I never said I was right about it but if things keep going wrong over and over and over again? Well. the definition of crazy is doing the exact same thing over and over again and wondering why nothing changes.

    I agree about the goals and targets but you are making all sorts of assumptions with out the possible idea that there is something going on.

    Look at Lindsay who lived and trained with us and helped us with James and is featured in GPP along with myself. Charlie and I could not figure out why she was so tight in the hips and why she was not responding to some of the training variables. It made no sense. She had all things on her side except when we finally did an MRI we discovered she had a fracture caused by the extreme running she had done before we met her on cement. Once we knew this we were able to treat her extensively and gradually over time she healed. The kind of injury she had gets missed often in hockey players and it has often ended their careers as no one knows how to train around it or to treat it successfully.
    I'm not missing the point... I have been following this kid for over a year now and everyone from myself to James have giving solid training tips etc... At some point you need to get off the internet and go train and use all the advice instead of looking for more shit to confuse the overall process.. All this talk about sleeping and anxiety I'm not buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    Dr Ferber was ( is?) a pioneer on sleep with babies. We used to hear and parents still discuss " did you or are you Ferberizing your kid" Ie = Did you read the book and are you following Dr. Ferber's sleep methods.

    We had an amazing masters client John O'Neil who worked until he was well over his 75th b day and he got less than 5 hours sleep.

    They know from space research and military training and research that humans can survive on very little sleep but that is not to say there are not negative follow outs.

    When we discuss min sleep needs vs how to thrive for high performance we are discussing very different things.

    Sport is also unique because say you are high performing outside of sport like Warren Buffet or Steve Jobs. ( Jobs may not be a good example as he died prematurely)

    We know some interesting things now about the brain.

    One is it's been and will continue to be for sometime well into the future that it's the new medical frontier.

    Neuroplasticity is a fascinating area of work and when I first met Charlie he spoke of the idea regarding using any amount of something positive to grow all areas. Now his comments were specifically regarding training but as a society we still want to deal face to face with the bad even if it gets someone no where. Instead why not take the good from yourself and grow that into what ever that can be to possibly bridge over to help other areas you are suffering from.

    Do contrast baths do anything for you? I am curious because it's a nervous system reboot if and when done well. Do you like to swim and do you like the water at all? What are the things that make you feel really really good?
    I know that I am sleeping enough to stay alive for sure, but I was wondering how much sleep is needed to train to improve performance, stay healthy and not get sick or injured.

    I know that mind body are all seperate, yet connected and influence each other. I know that doing things to help my body does have some helpful reliving effect on my mind as well. As you said, contrast baths gave me immediate boost in recovery when I started doing them. I get less soreness from training and I recover from soreness probably 2-3times faster than I would without. I don't really swim nowadays, but I do go into the pool for some easy drills. I also do spa, sauna, and steam room. I like spending time in the water, and find it very helpful for my recovery.

    Those things really help my muscular local recovery tremendously, and it has some influence on the relaxation of my mental side, but it is very limited from what I can feel.

    Anxiety is caused by different issues, even though symptoms may be different, so solution A may work for one but not another, who needs solution B. I don't know if I'll find the solution I need, but as you said, I need to keep doing research and experiment with myself whenever I have the opportunity. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldbloke View Post
    You need to get to the root cause of your problem - if there actually is one.
    1. Are you lacking sleep and feeling tired most of the time ? If so consider a check from a medical practicioner to establish if there is an underlying medical cause.
    2. If your symptoms are clustered around training activities look at the comments on training intensities and volumes + recovery. Or take a break from training and see if it fixes the problem.
    3. If your problems have an underlying psychological root cause and are noticeable in other parts of your life, look at the suggestions on yoga, meditation, anxiety management etc made on this thread. Again consider an assessment from someone qualified to help professionally.
    4. You may be close to your genetic potential as an athlete. Or need a more personally tailored training programme to get faster.
    Do you truly feel that lack of sleep is slowing you down are you running out of ideas as to how to get faster and looking at something else to try (more sleep) ?

    Why respond to a suggestion on anxiety management with another observation on herbs, is that really going to fix your problem if you dont even know which of the above causes may be relevant. And there are no doubt others I am not aware of.
    Lately I've been lacking sleep a lot but I actually don't feel that tired. It feels like I've been "numbed" from feeling tireeness.

    I've been training low volume as of late and doing a lot of active recovery, and based on how quickly my muscles tend to recover, it suggests that I'm taking care of my body well, just not so well mentally.

    Because of time restraints, I was only able to do meditation at home with apps and youtube audios, and they seeem to alleviate, but not enough to resolve the issue. I tried sleep sonography before and was told I was perfectly fine, suggesting no physiological issue. I would love to try some good hypnosis practitioner if I had good testimonial and some money to spend on that.

    I don't know for sure if I am close to my limit, but on the technique side of things, I still see plenty of room to improve, which I'm working on and I've been seeing a lot of nice improvement on that lately. Also, I'm coming back from a devastating injury that put me out of training for like 2 months, so my strength and explosiveness at this point is way below my previous best. I know that I can definitely improve AT LEAST to where I was before injury. I'm more so worried about injury and sickness I think at this point, as I see that if I'm healthy I can still improve.

    Being able to sleep well and recover will help any athlete at any level, because it will help reduce likelihood of injury and sickness, and whenever you get supercompensation to supass your current "baseline", your supercompensation curve will tend to rise a bit higher with better sleep thant without for sure.

    Herbs may or may not help. Many psychological issues often are associated with imbalances in neurotransmitters, and some herbs are said to modify the levels of certain neurotransmitters in your body. Though I haven't done any tests, I am suspecting I'm very low in serotonin and high in norepinephrine. Perhaps, if that is true, and I find herbs that help balance those, my psychological issues may improve.

    Thank you.

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