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    Quote Originally Posted by lkh View Post
    This is not even close to being accurate. Methylhexanamine has been on the banned list since 2004. It was slightly reclassified in 2011 but still banned. He took a banned supplement, PERIOD, in 2008. He was caught with more modern testing methods able to test what he got away with in 2008.

    WADA is a joke, but not in the way you're implying:

    "WADA heard of Russian doping in 2010, didn’t investigate until media reports"
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...b54_story.html
    https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....st_2004_EN.pdf

    where is it??

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    Re: 'A' Sample Of Medal-Winning Jamaican Athlete Tested Positive For Banned Substance

    It's not named on the list under stimulants but falls under the "and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar pharmacological effect(s)".

    http://rjrnewsonline.com/sports/subs...thylhexanamine
    "In 2007, it was removed from the IAAF's list of banned substances as a stimulant but can be found in derivatives of amphetamines which are banned. "

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    Re: 'A' Sample Of Medal-Winning Jamaican Athlete Tested Positive For Banned Substance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJP View Post
    It's not named on the list under stimulants but falls under the "and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar pharmacological effect(s)".

    http://rjrnewsonline.com/sports/subs...thylhexanamine
    "In 2007, it was removed from the IAAF's list of banned substances as a stimulant but can be found in derivatives of amphetamines which are banned. "
    good response.

    must make it pretty complicated as an athlete needing to know all the names of all the substances with similar chemical structures...

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    Re: 'A' Sample Of Medal-Winning Jamaican Athlete Tested Positive For Banned Substance

    I think Charlie wanted to avoid, prevent and ban comments on the site about the various politics in sport he was all too familiar with.

    Why?

    Well, for those of you who don't already know he likely felt that if a discussion perpetrated about certain topics it would detract from the main point of this website.

    The main point of this website has been to educate athletes and coaches and interested people about how to train successfully for speed and how to develop one's personal speed for any sport.

    The site was based on his own experiences both as an athlete and coach. He was successful at both.

    Charlie wrote a book about his experiences. The book was about why he loved running and about why he loved coaching people to run fast. The book "Speed Trap" tells a story about a good part of his life leading up to 1988. He does not spend much time discussing post 1988.

    IF we spend time discussing politics we are not advancing ourselves.

    There are multiple interviews Charlie took part in post 1988 discussing the politics in Track and field which in large part lead to this website. Interestingly everything he discusses in Speed Trap and his interviews has played out almost verbatim.

    For those of you that might prefer the Coles notes NOTHING has or will change until the athletes collectively decide they want different.

    Let's not waste more of our precious time here on earth debating something that no inquiry will change, no one person will change. This is not an ah ha moment. IT's almost 30 years since 1989 when Canada thought something might change from their tax funded inquiry that resulted in careers ending and lives compromised.

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    So let's move on and forward and celebrate the results of the sport, let's talk about the training and let's educate each other and help others understand how things need to be done to improve.

    For those of you who are not training full time to run the 100 meters in the Olympics don't despair. I've not once found the pursuit to run fast anything but fun and exhilarating and exciting.

    Sprinting matters even if it's not for anything else but pleasure to see how you are able to do given your own personal constraints.

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    Mrs. Coon, thank you for your words of wisdom. That being said, for the future of track and field I just don't see athletes getting together to organize to better anything. The market and money just isn't as big as other sports to incentivize athletes to do anything, and secondly, the type of athletes that track and field attracts are most likely individualists who would be less inclined to work together. College track and field (with a full scholarship) will be about as good as it will get for most who are good in this sport as the funding and organization is there up to that level and nothing more.

    As far as training, I have come to conclude that the best possible training is already available via CFTS and there isn't much more to improve on in terms of programming. No offense to anyone but it seems like people are either going around and around regurgitating training programs or they're looking for some secret training program to take them to world class results.

    What really matters is the following:

    Training age
    Number of years training
    Race/Genetics
    The baned subject


    In closing, if I ever have kids and they want to play professional sports I'm directing them to baseball or basketball.

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    Re: 'A' Sample Of Medal-Winning Jamaican Athlete Tested Positive For Banned Substance

    Mrs. Coon, thank you for your words of wisdom. That being said, for the future of track and field I just don't see athletes getting together to organize to better anything. The market and money just isn't as big as other sports to incentivize athletes to do anything, and secondly, the type of athletes that track and field attracts are most likely individualists who would be less inclined to work together. College track and field (with a full scholarship) will be about as good as it will get for most who are good in this sport as the funding and organization is there up to that level and nothing more.

    As far as training, I have come to conclude that the best possible training is already available via CFTS and there isn't much more to improve on in terms of programming. No offense to anyone but it seems like people are either going around and around regurgitating training programs or they're looking for some secret training program to take them to world class results.

    What really matters is the following:

    Training age
    Number of years training
    Race/Genetics
    The baned subject


    In closing, if I ever have kids and they want to play professional sports I'm directing them to baseball or basketball.


    I appreciate your opinion regarding this matter.

    Thank gosh for Track and Field. I owe big chunks of my awesome life to the opportunities provided to me since I was a 5 years old running track meets at my local grade school.

    I am grateful for those Legion meets when both of my parents volunteered along with countless other individuals on my behalf and others who benefited too.

    And the teachers like Nancy Huneau who stayed countless hours after school to coach me in the high jump.

    http://www.charliefrancis.com/blogs/news/tagged/talent


    Track is as basic as it comes for sports. By participating in track it will develop a persons speed, strength and flexibility. These physical attributes are key for all people in and out of sport at varied degrees.

    Here are a few points I would like to make regarding your post.

    1. Organization comes from an idea if and when there is a need when something is not going correctly. How about we start asking all of the athletes what they think about their experiences in track and take it from there. Athletes are entitled to rights the same way every person is entitled to rights.

    2. For more than 30 years I have made a good living from my participation in sport and that is primarily because of my success and involvement with track. It’s possible I would have gone further still had I been in Europe where track and field has been organized differently.


    3. People can be taught the virtues of getting along, working together and shown very simply why organizational behavior can benefit everyone when something is not going well in a sport or community.

    4. Receiving an education in lieu of a person’s talents is an exciting opportunity that might not exist for people otherwise. It might not be the best thing for an athlete. A key reason the college system works effectively in the USA is because it’s an organized gathering of like-minded, talented people. If a person is able to gain an education in exchange for their participation regarding their talents this is fantastic.

    5. There is so much more in life than professional sports. Historically, professional sports were available to people whose opportunity to attend school or other professional areas were limited. I come across coaches, athletes and parents every day who have very little knowledge regarding how to train with method that gives them their best shot of maximizing their personal potential.

    I do appreciate your response on this matter. There is so much more to think about regarding how we direct kids or people into sport. Education is at the root of empowerment. This site has sponsored this idea and not once taken money to advertise it's ideas and this has been going on for almost 2 decades.
    Last edited by Angela Coon; 06-27-2016 at 12:55 PM.

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    Re: 'A' Sample Of Medal-Winning Jamaican Athlete Tested Positive For Banned Substance

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    Mrs. Coon, thank you for your words of wisdom. That being said, for the future of track and field I just don't see athletes getting together to organize to better anything. The market and money just isn't as big as other sports to incentivize athletes to do anything, and secondly, the type of athletes that track and field attracts are most likely individualists who would be less inclined to work together. College track and field (with a full scholarship) will be about as good as it will get for most who are good in this sport as the funding and organization is there up to that level and nothing more.

    As far as training, I have come to conclude that the best possible training is already available via CFTS and there isn't much more to improve on in terms of programming. No offense to anyone but it seems like people are either going around and around regurgitating training programs or they're looking for some secret training program to take them to world class results.

    What really matters is the following:

    Training age
    Number of years training
    Race/Genetics
    The baned subject


    In closing, if I ever have kids and they want to play professional sports I'm directing them to baseball or basketball.


    I appreciate your opinion regarding this matter.

    Thank gosh for Track and Field. I owe big chunks of my awesome life to the opportunities provided to me since I was a 5 years old running track meets at my local grade school.

    I am grateful for those Legion meets when both of my parents volunteered along with countless other individuals on my behalf and others who benefited too.

    And the teachers like Nancy Huneau who stayed countless hours after school to coach me in the high jump.

    http://www.charliefrancis.com/blogs/news/tagged/talent


    Track is as basic as it comes for sports. By participating in track it will develop a persons speed, strength and flexibility. These physical attributes are key for all people in and out of sport at varied degrees.

    Here are a few points I would like to make regarding your post.

    1. Organization comes from an idea if and when there is a need when something is not going correctly. How about we start asking all of the athletes what they think about their experiences in track and take it from there. Athletes are entitled to rights the same way every person is entitled to rights.

    2. For more than 30 years I have made a good living from my participation in sport and that is primarily because of my success and involvement with track. Itís possible I would have gone further still had I been in Europe where track and field has been organized differently.


    3. People can be taught the virtues of getting along, working together and shown very simply why organizational behavior can benefit everyone when something is not going well in a sport or community.

    4. Receiving an education in lieu of a personís talents is an exciting opportunity that might not exist for people otherwise. It might not be the best thing for an athlete. A key reason the college system works effectively in the USA is because itís an organized gathering of like-minded, talented people. If a person is able to gain an education in exchange for their participation regarding their talents this is fantastic.

    5. There is so much more in life than professional sports. Historically, professional sports were available to people whose opportunity to attend school or other professional areas were limited. I come across coaches, athletes and parents every day who have very little knowledge regarding how to train with method that gives them their best shot of maximizing their personal potential.

    I do appreciate your response on this matter. There is so much more to think about regarding how we direct kids or people into sport. Education is at the root of empowerment. This site has sponsored this idea and not once taken money to advertise it's ideas and this has been going on for almost 2 decades.
    As someone without talent, but a lot of passion, I am thankful that there are people with mindset like yours as I read the "talent" thread. The world needs more people like that and less people that are so judgmental, or deterministic as you word it.

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