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    MASTERS TRAINING Plageurism ??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFEK4VseJ_I

    Caught this on youtube, there is part 1,2 and 3. They use nearly all of Charlies work from GPP Essentials and the Vancouver download. Just wondering if permission was sought. She seems to be passing this off as her own work. Or at least not mentioning the source of her information. Just curious.

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    I definitely recognize those graphs.

    I do see a source of some sort at the bottom of the slide at 10:49. It reads as follows:

    GPP, Key Concepts Elite Edition
    Review Forum

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    Re: MASTERS TRAINING Plageurism ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Actuary400m View Post
    I definitely recognize those graphs.

    I do see a source of some sort at the bottom of the slide at 10:49. It reads as follows:

    GPP, Key Concepts Elite Edition
    Review Forum
    thats only plageurism if it hasnt been payed for or permission wasn't granted to use.... I don't assume to know if that's the case, maybe they did clear it with Ange ...maybe not

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    I believe the graph from Key Concepts has been shown on this forum. The phase III of triple periodization has been discussed on here. However, I believe the entire period of the video between 11:45 and 13:30 (short to long and long to short) constitutes a violation of the copyright for the pdf handouts that go with Vancouver or Edmonton

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    I can't believe that someone would present a seminar almost entirely based on someone else's work, without acknowledging the source. At no point is there mention of Charlie Francis. Even the footnote of GPP, Key Concepts Elite Edition Review Forum, you wouldn't know it was Charlies work without being a member of this forum or having bought the products.

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    I haven't looked at the masters training piece being discussed, however, in reference to Charlie not being credited: I have personally encountered my own accounts of this fact as well as gained 2nd hand knowledge of it occurring in more than one ELITE international program to the extent that the coach(es) walked around with print outs of Charlie's programs and graphs.

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    Re: MASTERS TRAINING Plageurism ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    That sort of thing infuriated Charlie but not many will be able to claim what he actually accomplished or take credit for what he did. In the end which he faced with tremendous courage and strength all we have is how we lived our life. He worked his ass off and he changed lives for the better. Hopefully the Tom Cricks of the world and the other takers also give lots back. Coaching after all is in theory about helping others not just our selves. Coaching seems to attract those who need to feed their ego's and not much more.
    Ive seen many coaches who do it for themselves more than for the athletes. Ive seen coaches destroy another athletes day in favor of their own. I try to help all athletes not just my own. and I dont just focus on the most talented. If you want to get better, im willing to help.

    As for stealing without giving credit......those frauds usually dont last long

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    Notice, though, that the youtube video has been up since 2014 and has had all of 98 views in that time, and I suspect that a significant number of those views came from this thread. I wouldn't exactly call them a serious marketplace competitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkh View Post
    Notice, though, that the youtube video has been up since 2014 and has had all of 98 views in that time, and I suspect that a significant number of those views came from this thread. I wouldn't exactly call them a serious marketplace competitor.
    I still don't think that entitles them to plagiarise.

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    Re: MASTERS TRAINING Plageurism ??

    Quote Originally Posted by grooster View Post
    I still don't think that entitles them to plagiarise.
    I'm not claiming that it does. What I'm claiming is that the risk to Angie appears to be very, very low.

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