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    Re: Experiment in progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I'm just taking a shot at this, but during the early acceleration from the low position do you concentrate on driving your knee toward your chest?
    To some degree, yes. I know doing so excessively will tend to pop you up, but not doing it enough will make you fall on your face, and the happy medium is so small.

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    Re: Experiment in progress.

    Personally I've found that if I just step straight down from the first step it tends to keep my hips up, which prevents my torso from popping up too soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Personally I've found that if I just step straight down from the first step it tends to keep my hips up, which prevents my torso from popping up too soon.
    I would think that if you step straight down, it would pop you up more since the force is more vertical vs. horizontal.....I could be just misunderstanding what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwave View Post
    the force is more vertical vs. horizontal
    That's the point. Actually, it's really more intent and sensation. I keep harping on this, but there is a huge gulf between what you are objectively doing in space (as seen by an outside observer) and what you are subjectively feeling while doing it. That's what Charlie was referring to in Speed Trap when he talks about being able to feel what his sprinters were doing.

    If you step straight down, the reaction force from the ground is going to go back up through the leg and into the hip, which will keep the hip elevated. If you're leaning forward and the hip lifts, it naturally tips your torso forward. In contrast, if you're leaning forward and lift your knee to your chest, it will tend to drop your hips and push your torso up. That's why I don't like all this drive phase, max speed lift phase, etc. type cues. That might be what outsiders are seeing, but if the sprinter tries to consciously replicate those movements as subjective sensations it will exaggerate certain movements and screw up his technique. Just cock the foot and step down from the first step to the last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    That's the point. Actually, it's really more intent and sensation. I keep harping on this, but there is a huge gulf between what you are objectively doing in space (as seen by an outside observer) and what you are subjectively feeling while doing it. That's what Charlie was referring to in Speed Trap when he talks about being able to feel what his sprinters were doing.

    If you step straight down, the reaction force from the ground is going to go back up through the leg and into the hip, which will keep the hip elevated. If you're leaning forward and the hip lifts, it naturally tips your torso forward. In contrast, if you're leaning forward and lift your knee to your chest, it will tend to drop your hips and push your torso up. That's why I don't like all this drive phase, max speed lift phase, etc. type cues. That might be what outsiders are seeing, but if the sprinter tries to consciously replicate those movements as subjective sensations it will exaggerate certain movements and screw up his technique. Just cock the foot and step down from the first step to the last.
    When I think step straight down, my shin angle is too vertical at ground contact and it pops me up, not just elevating the hips, but my entire body becomes more upright. From what I've seen, when I think step down, my shin angle really is vertical when seen on the video so it's not just my perception. I would think that my shin angle has to be little more acute in order for me to have a "drive phase" as seen by outside observers.

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    Flash

    You are or you have been an excellent student of the topic of sprinting and speed and how to execute.

    It's too easy for people to read a simple and inexpensive book like 'Speed Trap' and follow what the "Chuckster" was saying. (no one calls Charlie Chuck, nor should anyone call him Chuck ever except on occasion I will or may refer to Charlie as " ...... " ... thank you )

    Chris your comments are like gold for me when I read what you say.

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    I know for lots of you talking about the girls might mean you are not able to relate but one of the very talented girls I have been coaching kept talking to me about drive phase and I have no friggen idea what the heck she was saying except SOMEONE told her about the drive phase.

    Well guess what. STOP THINKING

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    All of the kids want me to match the stupid arse crazy crap they are seeing on YOU TUBE by copy and paste 'experts' that coulda, woulda, maybe, done it for themselves but guess what?

    I know some of you want to read the daily blogs of all who once frequented cf.com 24/7 and are now 'blogging' about what 'they know'.

    The sheer beauty of cf.com is one it's been around forever and I am not paying anyone to say anything.

    The content here is based on FACT and TRUTH and those two things are based on results. IMAGINE that results are based on FACT and TRUTH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwave View Post
    When I think step straight down, my shin angle is too vertical at ground contact and it pops me up, not just elevating the hips, but my entire body becomes more upright. From what I've seen, when I think step down, my shin angle really is vertical when seen on the video so it's not just my perception. I would think that my shin angle has to be little more acute in order for me to have a "drive phase" as seen by outside observers.
    Go read or re read or reread again "Speed Trap" and the manual as well. And then seek out someone or someone's that know or have done more than put pencil to paper.

    And please stop thinking so darn much.

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    I might be coming across as a bit hyped up and possibly (I said possibly) out of line. I think it's based on what I have been seeing out there at the track this past few months. The coaching and the struggling and how I am clearly not doing a great job teaching and coaching coaches how to coach.

    The politics are killing me but I am running fast and as fast as possible and as far as possible away from the politics so I will be able to share the passion I have for the kids.

    My posts are not meant to be anything except helpful and if they are not helpful than ignore me.

    I have been thinking of ways to better connect with some of you to impart what I know for sure.

    There appears to be some big disconnects going on with information and execution and I feel for some of you because I am not long one the other side of things ( LOL) and wish to share, and connect and give what I am able. PM me anyone or info me should you have questions. My heart is in the best possible place to assist.

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