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    Re: need help with hurdle issues

    I think you're snapping off while your trail leg is still over the hurdle, which results in your trail foot being pushed down and hitting the hurdle.

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    Re: need help with hurdle issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Bentz View Post
    the hips are definitely a work in progress. I'm not exactly sure either how the upper body timing is playing a part here, I was under the impression I'd want to snap off that hurdle as quickly as possible. I'll experiment with it next session
    You may also experiment with more forward lean over the hurdle. The more upright the posture over the hurdle the more mobility required in the hips to not clip the hurdle with the trail leg. The more forward you lean over the hurdle (cause) the more naturally the trail leg lifts (effect) regardless of existing mobility.

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    Re: need help with hurdle issues

    At least you are training over 39s rather than 42s as many do but consider doing some of your hurdling over 36s as well. It will promote lower takeoff angles as many who make the transition to the 42s vault them rather than hurdle often soaring over hurdles with far too long of a time in the air and takeoffs too close. You can create faster touchdown times this way. Down and in- low hurdles (perhaps lower than what you've been using) and in most cases closer than competition spacing.

    Shorten the stride for the takeoff so you can get the foot closer to under the center of mass. Don't leave the takeoff foot to just land, be active with the shortening of that stride and the hips in a high position in the approach to the hurdle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Smith View Post
    You may also experiment with more forward lean over the hurdle. The more upright the posture over the hurdle the more mobility required in the hips to not clip the hurdle with the trail leg. The more forward you lean over the hurdle (cause) the more naturally the trail leg lifts (effect) regardless of existing mobility.
    Thanks for the input I'll get on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    At least you are training over 39s rather than 42s as many do but consider doing some of your hurdling over 36s as well. It will promote lower takeoff angles as many who make the transition to the 42s vault them rather than hurdle often soaring over hurdles with far too long of a time in the air and takeoffs too close. You can create faster touchdown times this way. Down and in- low hurdles (perhaps lower than what you've been using) and in most cases closer than competition spacing.

    Shorten the stride for the takeoff so you can get the foot closer to under the center of mass. Don't leave the takeoff foot to just land, be active with the shortening of that stride and the hips in a high position in the approach to the hurdle.
    Right on. Thanks for the input. Points of emphasis Next practice will be a more forceful cut step and better forward Lean

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    footage from yesterdays session. https://youtu.be/hwpiy0OOGpI

    recorded touchdown times on the last run from the 4pt start. first hurdle was at regular distance, then the 2nd and 3rd 25 feet apart. hand times were 2.55, 3.60, and 4.62

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    Re: need help with hurdle issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Bentz View Post
    footage from yesterdays session. https://youtu.be/hwpiy0OOGpI

    recorded touchdown times on the last run from the 4pt start. first hurdle was at regular distance, then the 2nd and 3rd 25 feet apart. hand times were 2.55, 3.60, and 4.62
    Right before you get into your takeoff your arms become somewhat passive as in a "gather" for a jump which you can see if you slow-mo the video or pause it quickly as I did. If you could be a little more continuous with the arm action from the previous stride into the takeoff position you'd probably hit a better TO velocity-at no time in a hurdle race whether it's to H1, between hurdles or over hurdles should your arms stall even slightly-it's not bad, it could just be a little better. Also limit how much the lead hand crosses the mid-line so you can avoid excessive rotation in the flight and definitely in the touchdown. The lead hand can cross a bit to counter the hip rotation of the lead leg but do your best to minimize how much you cross the mid-line. Bring the lead arm closer to the trail leg with the wrist below and right next to the trail knee-tighten up how close the wrist is to the knee.

    I think you might do well to push out of the blocks a bit harder, slightly longer stride length so you are then not left with the feeling that you need to reach in your TO over H1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    Right before you get into your takeoff your arms become somewhat passive as in a "gather" for a jump which you can see if you slow-mo the video or pause it quickly as I did. If you could be a little more continuous with the arm action from the previous stride into the takeoff position you'd probably hit a better TO velocity-at no time in a hurdle race whether it's to H1, between hurdles or over hurdles should your arms stall even slightly-it's not bad, it could just be a little better. Also limit how much the lead hand crosses the mid-line so you can avoid excessive rotation in the flight and definitely in the touchdown. The lead hand can cross a bit to counter the hip rotation of the lead leg but do your best to minimize how much you cross the mid-line. Bring the lead arm closer to the trail leg with the wrist below and right next to the trail knee-tighten up how close the wrist is to the knee.

    I think you might do well to push out of the blocks a bit harder, slightly longer stride length so you are then not left with the feeling that you need to reach in your TO over H1.

    no blocks were used yesterday but I'll make sure to use them when I get them on Wednesday! thanks for the arm tip, I see how that twisting affects the overall velocity. Next session ill try and keep everything moving straight forward

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    Re: need help with hurdle issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Bentz View Post
    no blocks were used yesterday but I'll make sure to use them when I get them on Wednesday! thanks for the arm tip, I see how that twisting affects the overall velocity. Next session ill try and keep everything moving straight forward
    As good a hurdler as Jason Richardson is esp. in past years look at some of his better races from 2012 and late in some of those runs he'd have a ton of excessive rotation often around H6 or 7 and he brings the lead arm way across and with it excessive shoulder rotation on the same side. To counter this he comes into his touchdown very much twisted and therefore having to straighten up just move to the next hurdle. Liu Xiang and Sally Pearson are two of the best to avoid much rotation or the hand crossing the mid-line much or at all. At least they were-maybe Pearson can get back to form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    As good a hurdler as Jason Richardson is esp. in past years look at some of his better races from 2012 and late in some of those runs he'd have a ton of excessive rotation often around H6 or 7 and he brings the lead arm way across and with it excessive shoulder rotation on the same side. To counter this he comes into his touchdown very much twisted and therefore having to straighten up just move to the next hurdle. Liu Xiang and Sally Pearson are two of the best to avoid much rotation or the hand crossing the mid-line much or at all. At least they were-maybe Pearson can get back to form.
    just watched Xiang in the 04 final. he does an amazing job of cycling the arms through the hurdles.

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