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    Quote Originally Posted by RB34 View Post
    I found this:
    Bioforce is similar to Ithlete, but with some advancements in predictive readings, such as the ability to distinguish between stress-caused HRV increases and recovery-caused HRV increases.

    It runs off the same basic template as Ithlete, but with several differences such as a 2:30 measurement period instead of one minute, and warnings to prevent erroneous measurements.
    I am curious to know more about stress caused HRV increases vs recovery-caused HRV increases. From where I live, during allergy season alone can cause a 10-20pt reduction in my HRV readings when the pollen scale rise to its highest levels yet I still feel fine physically from day to day and train normally. This could be the deal breaker between the two.

    I have used the Ithlete at different times during the day (before bed and upon waking) and the numbers usually vary + or - 2pts. I'd suspect that the 2:30 measurement would be more accurate. You thinking about going with the Bioforce?

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    Both - whoever contact me first.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ku2u#1 View Post
    I am curious to know more about stress caused HRV increases vs recovery-caused HRV increases. From where I live, during allergy season alone can cause a 10-20pt reduction in my HRV readings when the pollen scale rise to its highest levels yet I still feel fine physically from day to day and train normally. This could be the deal breaker between the two.

    I have used the Ithlete at different times during the day (before bed and upon waking) and the numbers usually vary + or - 2pts. I'd suspect that the 2:30 measurement would be more accurate. You thinking about going with the Bioforce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB34 View Post
    I found this:
    Bioforce is similar to Ithlete, but with some advancements in predictive readings, such as the ability to distinguish between stress-caused HRV increases and recovery-caused HRV increases.

    It runs off the same basic template as Ithlete, but with several differences such as a 2:30 measurement period instead of one minute, and warnings to prevent erroneous measurements.
    This relates to what I wrote earlier about differences between previous versions of the apps. From the start, Bioforce had the ability to flag significant relative increases in HRV as parasympathetic over training and would give an amber or red warning. In version 1 of ithlete this did not happen and the same data would have a green indicator as if everything was ok. Ithlete version 2 included this feature and so the information you quoted is no longer accurate (except the length of the measurement period).

    What did you ask them? Let us know what they say.

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    Thanks....... Leaning towards Ithlete while saving over $200 American dollars.
    Quote Originally Posted by AJP View Post
    This relates to what I wrote earlier about differences between previous versions of the apps. From the start, Bioforce had the ability to flag significant relative increases in HRV as parasympathetic over training and would give an amber or red warning. In version 1 of ithlete this did not happen and the same data would have a green indicator as if everything was ok. Ithlete version 2 included this feature and so the information you quoted is no longer accurate (except the length of the measurement period).

    What did you ask them? Let us know what they say.

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    Re: Philly Eagles New Outlook

    JJ never spent any time with Charlie.

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    I guess people struggle to determine what state of recovery they are in?
    Athlete's and coaches want a tangible test to remove doubt and or encourage them to train or take it easy?
    The combination of these two facts make following the Heart rate v interesting for most.
    What about all the non testable facts that guide the majority of my own training and also training others?
    How you feel?
    What you are sleeping is like?
    Appetite?
    Desire to train?
    Thirst?
    Digestion?
    Does anyone rely on this as well or do you strictly want to see data and numbers?
    And then what do you do when you get the numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    I guess people struggle to determine what state of recovery they are in?
    Athlete's and coaches want a tangible test to remove doubt and or encourage them to train or take it easy?
    The combination of these two facts make following the Heart rate v interesting for most.
    What about all the non testable facts that guide the majority of my own training and also training others?
    How you feel?
    What you are sleeping is like?
    Appetite?
    Desire to train?
    Thirst?
    Digestion?
    Does anyone rely on this as well or do you strictly want to see data and numbers?
    And then what do you do when you get the numbers?
    Works for me. Every time, one or more of the above are off for me......I am always in a poor state. It took me a long time to listen to it, especially with no coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    I guess people struggle to determine what state of recovery they are in?
    Athlete's and coaches want a tangible test to remove doubt and or encourage them to train or take it easy?
    The combination of these two facts make following the Heart rate v interesting for most.
    What about all the non testable facts that guide the majority of my own training and also training others?
    How you feel?
    What you are sleeping is like?
    Appetite?
    Desire to train?
    Thirst?
    Digestion?
    Does anyone rely on this as well or do you strictly want to see data and numbers?
    And then what do you do when you get the numbers?
    Hey Ange

    All of those things do work. I have the Bioforce HRV. What I like about it is that if some of the things are off that you mentioned, it will show up in the numbers. If I don't get good quality sleep or there is extra stress with family, my numbers will always be off. The other thing I like about bioforce vs. ithlete is that the bioforce program will also give a readiness scale, so you have an idea of exactly how hard you can push that day. Of course, things may change during the workout. I don't think HRV is necessary for everyone, but I do think it is a good product to help people test their readiness. It should not supersede any of the things you mentioned, but should be used in conjunction with them.

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    I've never used the Bioforce unit, but I believe the software engine that Bioforce uses is the Ithlete's with some minor tweaks. I can say that I have one athlete who has been using the Ithlete for almost six months, and he has missed a grand total of ONE single reading during that time. The Ithlete reading takes a minute, and it is so simple to use there is simply no reason not to do it daily.

    I can't comment on the effectiveness of the Bioforce unit, but I can say I currently have no desire to experiment with the Bioforce, as the data we've collected with the Ithlete has been highly informative. To be honest, it took me quite a few months to get the hang of what the data actually means.

    What I can say is that when you get curious and start looking for trends, it can be tremendously helpful. i'm looking forward to doing a training log looking back on the season starting soon. Hopefully some people will find it interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Slow View Post
    I've never used the Bioforce unit, but I believe the software engine that Bioforce uses is the Ithlete's with some minor tweaks. I can say that I have one athlete who has been using the Ithlete for almost six months, and he has missed a grand total of ONE single reading during that time. The Ithlete reading takes a minute, and it is so simple to use there is simply no reason not to do it daily.

    I can't comment on the effectiveness of the Bioforce unit, but I can say I currently have no desire to experiment with the Bioforce, as the data we've collected with the Ithlete has been highly informative. To be honest, it took me quite a few months to get the hang of what the data actually means.

    What I can say is that when you get curious and start looking for trends, it can be tremendously helpful. i'm looking forward to doing a training log looking back on the season starting soon. Hopefully some people will find it interesting!
    With your situtation of having a long distance coach to athlete relationship with some of your athletes, HRV is quite helpful in knowing how to adjust your training from what the numbers tell you. In every sport that I've trained for since high school, I've always had a long distance relationship with the coach and can recall many times of running into recovery problems/injuries due to not knowing when to back off. I look forward to seeing a training log with HRV ratings of athletes who use the Hi-Low system.

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