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    If you want to improve faster, you'll want to find a coach. How far can you travel to train? Vancouver Olympic Club or Kajaks might be worth looking into.
    Yeah I've seen athletes of those clubs perform and they are magnificent. But the problems I'd have to outreach to participate in club training is more than just transportation. I honestly like the serene atmosphere of training alone. One thing I do not like is how there is no immediate feedback, however I've found a solution and that is video feedback. I think CF forum will give me a lot of advice regarding the intricacies of hurdling, even more so than the dearth of authoritative knowledge I feel that is present in BC. Hopefully I can still run self-satisfying times following this way. And at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is running a time that you feel reflects your profile!
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    Did a 50m race today. I was a little nervous before the race. But I did calm myself down in the moment I needed to. Any feedback? What would this time mean in the high hurdles? I am the guy in blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jccc110m View Post
    Did a 50m race today. I was a little nervous before the race. But I did calm myself down in the moment I needed to. Any feedback? What would this time mean in the high hurdles? I am the guy in blue.
    It was very difficult to see too much in the race but it looked like you won which does not hurt. Speed of any sort will allow a great advantage to buffer technical skill until the hurdles get too high anyway.
    How old are you?
    It's tough training on your own however Jccc. But perhaps your reasons for running are different and perhaps the idea of training alone means more to you than to compromise other values you appear to have. I do want to point out that regardless of what you think I feel you are putting yourself at an enormous disadvantage in terms of the goals you have set. If you were just wanting to have a good time than fine. As soon as you add performance into the equation not having timely feedback deadens the progress significantly. Never forget that practice makes permanent so if your feed back turn around is 24 hours and another's is 30 seconds after their run how much time are you loosing or put another way how much time are you working less efficiently and effectively as well?
    Once you achieve a certain amount than the task of training alone might be reasonable depending on the type of work you need to perform. Ideally quality of all training is essential. Hard to mess up tempo on the bike and in the pool for example but there is always a way to grab something from those training sessions and it's not just about putting in the time for tempo to feed the speed. In general one of the biggest issues in training is judgement coming from the person performing the work. Judgement is honed over time from experience and quality of work over years.
    Think about some of this.
    I do not want to sound negative but I do want you to understand what you are up against in relation to the goals you have shared with us here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    It was very difficult to see too much in the race but it looked like you won which does not hurt. Speed of any sort will allow a great advantage to buffer technical skill until the hurdles get too high anyway.
    How old are you?
    It's tough training on your own however Jccc. But perhaps your reasons for running are different and perhaps the idea of training alone means more to you than to compromise other values you appear to have. I do want to point out that regardless of what you think I feel you are putting yourself at an enormous disadvantage in terms of the goals you have set. If you were just wanting to have a good time than fine. As soon as you add performance into the equation not having timely feedback deadens the progress significantly. Never forget that practice makes permanent so if your feed back turn around is 24 hours and another's is 30 seconds after their run how much time are you loosing or put another way how much time are you working less efficiently and effectively as well?
    Once you achieve a certain amount than the task of training alone might be reasonable depending on the type of work you need to perform. Ideally quality of all training is essential. Hard to mess up tempo on the bike and in the pool for example but there is always a way to grab something from those training sessions and it's not just about putting in the time for tempo to feed the speed. In general one of the biggest issues in training is judgement coming from the person performing the work. Judgement is honed over time from experience and quality of work over years.
    Think about some of this.
    I do not want to sound negative but I do want you to understand what you are up against in relation to the goals you have shared with us here.

    Having said all of this life is all about choices , challenges and lessons we learn along the journey. I am basing my thoughts and opinions on things I have experienced , seen and been a part of at the highest level. You have a goal and perhaps this goal will be achieved by you without compromise of your other wants.
    If we are able to help you that will be great thing.
    What you are trying to do is exciting and admirable and I don't mean to be discouraging or a nay sayer either. It's not all about winning ( someone told me that and it's really kinda cool that you have these ideas about what and how you want things.

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    ^ Thanks Ange you are very cool!

    Back to hurdling - I tried to do a few sprint over hurdles today, after my mobility/more specific hurdle drills. (After focusing on the mobility, I feel my whole running process become faster, so that's great) However, I can't seem to get to the first hurdle without cutting my steps short. Is that a genuine problem? I felt scared over the hurdle, so that was bad anyways. Do you think the 7-step is feasible for me??

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    Did a 50m race today. I was a little nervous before the race. But I did calm myself down in the moment I needed to. Any feedback? What would this time mean in the high hurdles?
    6.49s over 50m is probably worth around 11.80-12.00s in the 100m. To run 14.1 in the 110m hurdles you probably need to be in low 11s - high 10s 100m shape.

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    Ouch! The bleak reality hurts! That time conversion is really accurate, I ran a 12.00~ ht on Thursday(2 days before the 6.49). I am sure my time is going to decrease as the season goes on, so that's great! 14.1 is a very tough time

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    Re: Technical advice for a young hurdler?

    Have some race footage.

    My warm up was interrupted because the schedule is so late, so other than few leg swings, there was not preparation before my race. There were also no blocks. When I went over the hurdles, I felt myself FLOATING! Aries Meritt said he was floating hurdles but I was actually Floating! That feeling was so devastating! My lead arm was also very ahead of my body so went I pulled it back it was just a chaos.

    The video is really hard to pick on anything, but any feedback will be appreciate, greatly!

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    I thought from what I could see you looked pretty good. You had no competition and that makes it kinda tough but that is ok for early on in the season.
    How long did you allow to warm up?
    A very important lesson is how to learn to buffer what is very typical at many meets. If you learn how to handle this fact it's an area that will become an advantage to you. Always allow more time to warm up , not less than what you need. The fitter and more experienced you are the more you will be able to " hang on" to your warm up. Likely , because you are training you are more able to hang on to your warm up than your competitors. Say your warm up is 30 minutes. Take one hour or 45 minutes before your event. Do your warm up and then sit and wait and keep yourself warm and shake your legs and wait. When everyone else is scrambling ( and they will because i have seen this countless times even at the national level ) you will be over chilling and relaxing and dreaming of your perfect race . The most important thing jCC is you know your preparation was not ideal or sufficient.
    Feedback about times is great and interesting but really in my view you need to focus on a bunch of other things and that " time " thing will come together when you are ready.
    When? Next week at 5pm on the ... I don't know as I don't see into the future , at least not yet. ( I tend to try and work on this as I like control) Yes, I am kidding.
    Getting more races is good.
    How about your regeneration ? I know you are young and kids tend not to think this way but I want you to try and think of ways you can actively rejuvenate yourself for your training so the next time you have your speed session you are feeling more recovered. You need to be doing speed work when you are as fresh and as rested as possible. I know with kids this can be the luck of the draw but see if you can make a thoughtful effort to rest and actively do so. Give me some of your thoughts on that. ( yes,you can say Ange I have no clue what the heck you are talking about )
    The floating? Yeah, been there. How are your nerves ? When you start thinking in the race that you are floating I ask myself how nervous are you?
    You are doing a great job.
    I love that you are posting video and that shows how motivated you are. Who is doing the filming for you?
    You can fix the first hurdle thing but we need to see more examples. We need to get your turn over and I am wondering about your blocks and how to adjust them differently.
    I had to switch my lead leg in order to get to the first hurdle but that was so long ago that it just seems normal now. I am not sure you need to do this but it would be good to have more video to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    I thought from what I could see you looked pretty good. You had no competition and that makes it kinda tough but that is ok for early on in the season.
    How long did you allow to warm up? ...
    Thanks for the kind words Ange. My warm up usually takes 30 minutes - 45 minutes. Usually on the lower end as I'm not a glutton for hard work .. As for the regeneration.. I actually didn't do much after the meet. But I learned after the soreness which refused to go away I'll probably have to do a cool-down job and some stretching. I take cold showers after my track workouts but I've never actually tried a contrast one after. By the time I get home I'm already reluctant to shower, and to have some cold water down my spine seems like a horrible idea.. And from Brent McFarlane's Speed book I learned that extensive tempo work can also aid in recovery (also provides a plethora of other benefits as well) Any tips on that regard?

    Was I nervous? I actually wasn't. The thing that just kept bugging me was, "Could I make it to the first hurdle in 8 steps?" The day before the meet I could not get 8 steps no matter what. However that idea disappeared now; I was probably a little excited and kept my strides and speed very sprinter like. Who's filming me? My school track team i love them. They make the very lonely sport so much more enjoyable.

    Again thanks for your concerns Ange, your words provide so much motivation.

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