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    Re: 1986 San Jose 100m - Johnson 10.01

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris6878 View Post
    meh, tarver caught roy on the downslide. prime/young roy would've destroyed tarver. carl and ben were both in their primes
    RJJ had a long and fantastic "run" no doubt but you have to give credit where credit is due.
    Tarver's footwork and slight hesitation before that Left is what did it. Timing.
    If Tarver didn't hesitate with it...RJJ was way too fast and would have blocked it or made him miss.

    I watched a match this past month where I saw this same sort of Hop with both feet and punch
    Check it out- at the 13 min. mark is the KO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXYYO0Rv_mU

    Speed and aggression can be countered very well.
    Remember Oscar De La Hoya against Quartey? In the final round ODLH throws away a straight right...ducks...and comes back with a Left hook to knock him down.
    The list goes on and on with this and boxing historians and film study folks alike know this well.
    Boxers with nasty counter left hooks best beware.

    Oh, one more thing...rememember someone asking Tarver if RJJ was shot? Tarver said...yeah he's shot. I'm the one who shot him or something like that.

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    Re: 1986 San Jose 100m - Johnson 10.01

    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    RJJ had a long and fantastic "run" no doubt but you have to give credit where credit is due.
    Tarver's footwork and slight hesitation before that Left is what did it. Timing.
    If Tarver didn't hesitate with it...RJJ was way too fast and would have blocked it or made him miss.

    I watched a match this past month where I saw this same sort of Hop with both feet and punch
    Check it out- at the 13 min. mark is the KO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXYYO0Rv_mU

    Speed and aggression can be countered very well.
    Remember Oscar De La Hoya against Quartey? In the final round ODLH throws away a straight right...ducks...and comes back with a Left hook to knock him down.
    The list goes on and on with this and boxing historians and film study folks alike know this well.
    Boxers with nasty counter left hooks best beware.

    Oh, one more thing...rememember someone asking Tarver if RJJ was shot? Tarver said...yeah he's shot. I'm the one who shot him or something like that.
    I knew roy was done because of all the leaning on the rope he would do. In the 1st and 2nd fight Roy would kill tarver in the middle of the ring, then he would go lean on the ropes and let tarver wail away. Prior to that when did roy ever get tired? When did roy ever get hit flush. These things never happened. IMO Roy was shot in the first fight with Tarver. After He blew up to win the heavyweight belt, then lost all that weight rapidly to fight tarver only 7 months later was his undoing. He was too old to recover from that.

    Yea he won the first fight but barely. He looked old then too. Then roy gets koed in both consecutive fights after. He was way passed his prime.
    Roy didnt have great boxing skills, he was a supreme athlete with speed and reflexes that were metahuman. Once he lost the speed it was over.

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    Re: 1986 San Jose 100m - Johnson 10.01

    If you knew RJJ would lose that night then you must have made a serious amount of money that night b/c the odds If I remember correctly were 7-1 in favor of RJJ.
    Yes, it appeared that he was unable to recover from that re: weight gain/loss...you could see that he really wanted to get "motivated" for that fight/training camp, but he just couldn't for some unexplained reason.
    He felt dissed by Tarver and in the past.. that would have been enough to get his Juices flowing..so to speak lol

    After all these years of lifting and staying in shape...I have always kept my weight within 165 - 175lbs...I'm usually at 172. I don't mess around with mother nature and I don't pretend that I understand the complex human body completely.
    For example, I lifted (which is always a secondary item for me) last Summer in the early AM at 6 for the first time in my life. I lifted in the Garage with it open..fresh air...the birds singing..and sunlight.
    Years from now I will be looking back at my logs and try to figure out why I felt so great compared to what I know now.
    motivated
    no stress
    love the summer time
    schedule was on point
    sunshine in the early AM
    not eating in the early am..only water, plenty of sleep and BCAA's.
    patient,
    no goal of jumping again yet, etc etc.

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