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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    I need to post my lifting in the very beginning year and show people with comments what my development looked like .
    I can't comment on Angella or the others but the pattern is the same and once the ground work has been laid more options exist.
    I for one would be very interested in seeing this. A couple years ago Charlie mentioned the possibility of posting some samples of the other athletes' training diaries as illustrative examples, but I think he was always scared people would try to copy them rather than understand the logic underlying them. It's always good to see concrete examples, especially several that differ significantly from each other, which really forces you to find the common conceptual threads that connect them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    The other point to make clear is sprinters generally need to limit and therefor prioritize the number of lifts.
    I witnessed Charlie working with tons of people at every level in sprinting for so many different sports and it always amazed me how simple he kept things.
    I think the main problem with almost the entire body of strength training literature lies in the fact that it is invariably analyzed in isolation without a sufficient appreciation for how it interacts with the rest of the training components (plyometrics suffers the same fate). The end result is almost always an overly complicated system. Charlie told me that those kinds of complexities make sense when weight training is your primary or sole activity, but most have to fall by the wayside when weights take a backseat to speed work. That's why Charlie's videos on Weight for Speed are so brilliant. I know of nothing else that really explains exactly how weight training properly integrates with speed and evolves over time with performance levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela Coon View Post
    You can carefully progress him into some medball throws down the field as soon as the spring hits. I am still training outside but will have to switch inside any day now but the weather here has been incredible to stay on the grass.
    Early on I did hamstring curls in 3 sets usually 2 to 3 x a week and certainly I would begin reverse leg press.Sometimes you wont be able to do it but keep trying. Let your athlete's que's be your guide. Dont ask him per say as likely he will always say " I feel fine". End your sessions of speed with small sets starting with 15 and see how he responds. Yes, you need to factor this in but your point regarding putting lower body stimulation in at least sometimes is a valid one. When you get this done through the winter we can discuss the back stuff.
    I quit track the first season working with Charlie as I was so freaked out about my back.
    He was pissed with me but was really scared I hurt my back.
    I was such a suck.
    Looking back we were able to discuss that my back and hips and entire lower body were under a huge adaptation but it took several months until my back really could handle the work.
    "certainly I would begin reverse leg press"

    Angela, there have been a thread or two where myself and others were wanting to know what is being used now for a proper reverse leg press.
    Not having to modify the use of an old Universal station type leg press, as you described how you did it in the past.
    Do you know of anything on the market that would be affordable, not something as "commercial/expensive"as the Butt Blaster, maybe something that could be fabricated at a local metal shop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich121 View Post
    "certainly I would begin reverse leg press"

    Angela, there have been a thread or two where myself and others were wanting to know what is being used now for a proper reverse leg press.
    Not having to modify the use of an old Universal station type leg press, as you described how you did it in the past.
    Do you know of anything on the market that would be affordable, not something as "commercial/expensive"as the Butt Blaster, maybe something that could be fabricated at a local metal shop?
    The only thing I can suggest is a resisted leg swing while on your hands and knees for the beginning or early stages but this certainly does not replace the reverse leg press.
    If you found someone at a local metal shop speak to them about your needs and see if they can help you out.
    WE used the old universal machines at york and I still see some of them around but they are poorly maintained and stiff to use at times.
    I am not sure what else to suggest.

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    I was thinking that since Rich is probably talking about dealing with a developmental athlete, he might be able to get away with using one of the stiffer Therabands for resistance, and doing a donkey kick-like action as I think Ange is suggesting. You're looking at $5 or less for a 5 foot Theraband, so the price is right!

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    Rich121,

    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_..._painful_seven

    maybe modify exc. # 6 in the link above for your needs?

    BTW, I have many of the products from the CF store including 2002 Vancouver video (VHS) and the 02 forum review. It's all Great Material that I would recommend to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Slow View Post
    I was thinking that since Rich is probably talking about dealing with a developmental athlete, he might be able to get away with using one of the stiffer Therabands for resistance, and doing a donkey kick-like action as I think Ange is suggesting. You're looking at $5 or less for a 5 foot Theraband, so the price is right!
    Thanks Angela, great suggestion...

    and also thanks to T-Slow and Balance for variations of this.

    just hook it to the power rack at the correct height and go!...and I like the price!

    Both variations look easily doable...and on the cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I think the main problem with almost the entire body of strength training literature lies in the fact that it is invariably analyzed in isolation without a sufficient appreciation for how it interacts with the rest of the training components (plyometrics suffers the same fate). The end result is almost always an overly complicated system. Charlie told me that those kinds of complexities make sense when weight training is your primary or sole activity, but most have to fall by the wayside when weights take a backseat to speed work. That's why Charlie's videos on Weight for Speed are so brilliant. I know of nothing else that really explains exactly how weight training properly integrates with speed and evolves over time with performance levels.

    Could someone tell me which of the strength video(s) from the store best cover how weights integrate with speed.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbloke View Post
    Could someone tell me which of the strength video(s) from the store best cover how weights integrate with speed.

    Thanks.
    Weights for Speed. Get the whole bundle.

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