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    Quote Originally Posted by kitkat1 View Post
    SEIKO TEAM: 3 SOUTH AFRICA 2:59.21 -- 46.28, 43.27, 44.46, 45.20

    On the 1st leg splits & Oscar's difficulty backing up I'd say he's gone & Van Zyl is in for tonight's final!
    These splits can't be correct. 43.27 for the second leg who has a PB of 45.11 and an SB of 45.59? That's almost as unlikely as the 42.41 for Greg Nixon's first leg. TMSSF's splits make much more sense. I hope the South African federation doesn't make a decision based on such dubious splits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitkat1 View Post
    Name Finish Time Athlete 1 Time Athlete 2 Time Athlete 3 Time Athlete 4 Time
    1 BELGIUM 3:00.71 0:46.45 0:44.24 0:45.83 0:44.19
    2 RUSSIA 3:00.81 0:45.49 0:46.03 0:44.52 0:44.77
    3 KENYA 3:00.97 0:44.44 0:46.80 0:45.01 0:44.72
    4 BAHAMAS 3:01.54 0:42.58 0:48.55 0:45.28 0:45.13
    5 AUSTRALIA 3:01.56 0:43.82 0:47.59 0:45.40 0:44.75
    6 POLAND 3:01.84 0:43.22 0:48.04 0:45.68 0:44.90
    7 FRANCE 3:03.68 0:44.75 0:47.48 0:45.68 0:45.77
    8 SAUDI ARABIA 3:05.65 0:46.22 0:47.28 0:47.22 0:44.93
    These splits can't be true unless I'm reading them wrong. According to the first split, Australia was a clear 3rd at the change over, over 10m in front of Russia and nearly 20m in front of Belgium as Thomas took the baton. I find it hard to believe Ben Offereins was in sub 45s shape let alone sub 44s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin1 View Post
    These splits can't be correct. 43.27 for the second leg who has a PB of 45.11 and an SB of 45.59? That's almost as unlikely as the 42.41 for Greg Nixon's first leg. TMSSF's splits make much more sense. I hope the South African federation doesn't make a decision based on such dubious splits.
    South Africa's splits were quite easy since they started out in lane 1. Each split was taken with the baton at the common line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitkat1 View Post
    Name Finish Time Athlete 1 Time Athlete 2 Time Athlete 3 Time Athlete 4 Time
    1 BELGIUM 3:00.71 0:46.45 0:44.24 0:45.83 0:44.19
    2 RUSSIA 3:00.81 0:45.49 0:46.03 0:44.52 0:44.77
    3 KENYA 3:00.97 0:44.44 0:46.80 0:45.01 0:44.72
    4 BAHAMAS 3:01.54 0:42.58 0:48.55 0:45.28 0:45.13
    5 AUSTRALIA 3:01.56 0:43.82 0:47.59 0:45.40 0:44.75
    6 POLAND 3:01.84 0:43.22 0:48.04 0:45.68 0:44.90
    7 FRANCE 3:03.68 0:44.75 0:47.48 0:45.68 0:45.77
    8 SAUDI ARABIA 3:05.65 0:46.22 0:47.28 0:47.22 0:44.93
    I have to assume that times have been taken from start to the finish line for the first leg then finish line to finish line for the rest (or similar) as it a rough guide each lane gets faster (very rough) in the first lap and the reverse in the second. I hope that makes sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainy.here View Post
    I would guess it to be start to middle of exchange zone, but that might be hard to locate, so who knows. Maybe PJ will fill us in if he ever sees this.
    That is how it should be done. It is only ever an estimate because the incoming first leg could run 10 metres short (ie 390m) and the outgoing second leg could run 10m long (ie 410m). Other variables of course are deceleration (incoming) and acceleration (outgoing) but it is a much better assessment than clocking hand-over to hand-over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitkat1 View Post
    That is how it should be done. It is only ever an estimate because the incoming first leg could run 10 metres short (ie 390m) and the outgoing second leg could run 10m long (ie 410m). Other variables of course are deceleration (incoming) and acceleration (outgoing) but it is a much better assessment than clocking hand-over to hand-over.
    Thanks Kitkat1. I timed an athlete, who started, from the start line to the start line (which was just before the change over) and another coach told me I was wrong you should go start line to finish line - which made no sense to me as they start on the 4 x 4 start which is further up the track then the 400m line.
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    The saying I heard years ago was to time the baton and not the man (or woman). It can be tough unless you are close by to find the middle of the zone on a three turn stagger though the middle of the zone does have a line on it. The toughest exchange to time by far is 1 to 2. 2 to 3 and 3 to 4 are much easier to time- same place, finish line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    The saying I heard years ago was to time the baton and not the man (or woman). It can be tough unless you are close by to find the middle of the zone on a three turn stagger though the middle of the zone does have a line on it. The toughest exchange to time by far is 1 to 2. 2 to 3 and 3 to 4 are much easier to time- same place, finish line.
    That's OK, but that's also how you end up with first leg running significantly short and being credited by the official Seiko Team as having run 400 metres in 42.4sec. Which is ridiculous unless his name was Usain Bolt

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    KK, I'm not sure I understand. I mean being close enough as a timer on a three turn stagger to find the middle of the exchange zone for each lane so the legs are of equal length and not 395, 405 etc. Most of the tracks I've seen have either a solid or dashed line in the middle of the zone (for each lane) and it's usually well up into the curve from the middle lanes on. I think only lane one has the same line (which is the finish line) for all three exchanges.

    By timing the baton I mean when it crosses first the middle of the zone (for each lane, not the common zone so it tends to be further into the curve for most of the lanes) for the first exchange then timing the baton as it crosses the finish line for exchanges 2 and 3.

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    AS PREDICTED...kk

    Oscar Pistorius out of 1,600 relay final at worlds

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    DAEGU, South Korea (AP) - Double-amputee runner Oscar Pistorius was left off South Africa's team for the 1,600-meter relay final Friday, a day after helping the squad qualify at the world championships.

    "Haven't Been included in the Final for the SA Mens 4x400m. Pretty Guttered,'' Pistorius wrote in a Twitter message.

    Instead of Pistorius, the South African team decided to go with L.J. van Zyl, who won the bronze medal in the 400 hurdles.

    After making a historic breakthrough for Paralympic athletes by reaching the semifinals of the 400 early this week, the "Blade Runner'' ran a strong opening leg on the tough inside lane Thursday to help South Africa to a third-place finish in its heat and a South African record.

    Team manager Magda Botha said in a statement the decision was based on "factual information and knowledge'' after a meeting with the athletes early Friday.

    The 24-year-old Pistorius, who had his legs amputated when he was a baby, can still get a medal if South Africa finishes in the top three because he ran in the heats.

    It was already considered an amazing performance for Pistorius to get into the 400 semifinals on his carbon-fiber blades, but Thursday, the relay performance did one better.

    The IAAF had said that Pistorius could only run the leadoff leg of the relay because it is completed with teams still running in lanes. There were fears that the his blades could be a danger if he had to run in a bunch.

    Pistorius traditionally has a slow start over the first 100 meters before picking up more speed and it might have been a reason to leave him off the team. It still was an unexpected decision since he trails only Van Zyl in the South African season's standings.

    The United States and Jamaica led qualifying, just ahead of South Africa, highlighting that Pistorius still had a chance to collect a medal.

    It would be an achievement in itself. All through his youth, Pistorius played games and sports with able-bodied kids, refusing to accept the difference shins, ankles, feet and toes made.

    He was good at whatever he did, became a Paralympic star and won three gold medals at the Beijing Paralympics to prove it.

    Yet he always wanted to compete against the best.

    When the IAAF refused to let him, he took his case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport and won the right in 2008 to be allowed to run in able-bodied events on his blades.

    At first he didn't qualify for major championships, but Pistorius finally achieved the qualifying mark for Daegu with a personal best of 45.07 seconds at a small meet in northern Italy in July on his last attempt.

    After failing to reach the final in the individual 400, he had good hopes to run the relay final Friday.



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