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    No. 2, isn't that what pretty much everyone's workouts would look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NumberTwo View Post
    I wouldn't expect any coach to freely give up their annual plan and detailed workouts. However, if we did have the opportunity to watch them run, I suspect we would see a long but gradual warm-up, including some drills, followed by some starts, and then some high quality runs with long recoveries between. I would also assume the weight workouts would be fairly simple in structure, but we would not be blown away by the loads they are using. Their technique would also likely be unspectacular, but satisfactory. If they were doing anything else, I would be surprised.
    I don't think the annual plan and detailed workouts would be much different than the great Charlie Francis, remembering he was 10 years ahead of everyone else with Ben.

    Where I believe the difference lies is in what they are doing with running mechanics.

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    Everyone has looked at a slowmo of Bolt and and Powell and came up with their own interperation on what they are doing. I would suggest that watching a magician perform will not give the answer any more than the slowmo will. What you see is not what is being done.

    I can remember when Olivia Tauro made big improvements everyone over here were taking videos trying to work out what she was doing different. They are none the wiser and the kid is now gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainy.here View Post
    No. 2, isn't that what pretty much everyone's workouts would look like?
    If you looked at individual workouts - I would hope that everyone's general structure would be similar. However, the week to week progressions, from training phase to training phase, would likely be all over the map from what I have seen and from what I have heard from people who have observed workouts from day to day in various camps.

    Then, there is the overall training plan as compared with what was actually implemented on the day. Charlie would create weekly plans, but the majority of workouts would be changed on the day based on what he saw, feedback from the massage therapist, etc. This is what separated Charlie's work from others - his ability to improvise with the circumstances he was presented with.

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    I don't think the annual plan and detailed workouts would be much different than the great Charlie Francis, remembering he was 10 years ahead of everyone else with Ben.
    This would be a risky assumption. How many of Charlie's workout plans have you actually reviewed to come to this conclusion? I am not talking about the short-to-long and long-to-short examples he presented (which were never actually used as workout plans - they were theoretical examples that we prepared for seminar presentation and discussion).

    From what I have reviewed in person with him, there is a significant difference in how he plans his workouts as compared with almost everyone else. His attention to the details with regard to adjusting various individual elements from week-to-week, phase-to-phase and year-to-year are unlike any other coach I've seen. His description of the process Charlie used in "Project World Record" were impressive in terms of the depth of research, integration of training elements and coordination with other service providers. I have numerous training programs he has provided (many of which I sat with him and documented for him, with input on specific elements) and they are all very different (as they were provided for different athletes, with different circumstances - some male, some female, some older, some younger, at different times of year, different stages of development, etc).

    Based on the numerous consultations I've provided with athletes and coaches over the past few years who have "studied" Charlie's presentation materials, I have found that many (if not most of them) have incorrectly applied Charlie's principles, or have simply cut and pasted his training program examples with no regard for their individual circumstances and needs of their athletes. I fear that this is happening more frequently than not. This is particularly the case with his Short-to-Long seminar example. People have told me they wrote up their training program, wanted my input on it, and then proceeded to send me the S-L example Charlie provided. This is not what Charlie had intended.

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    have incorrectly applied Charlie's principles, or have simply cut and pasted his training program examples with no regard for their individual circumstances and needs of their athletes.
    Absolutely spot on No.2! I've seen this too. Copy/paste - too easy, one would think Not so, and is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NumberTwo View Post
    This would be a risky assumption. How many of Charlie's workout plans have you actually reviewed to come to this conclusion? I am not talking about the short-to-long and long-to-short examples he presented (which were never actually used as workout plans - they were theoretical examples that we prepared for seminar presentation and discussion).

    From what I have reviewed in person with him, there is a significant difference in how he plans his workouts as compared with almost everyone else. His attention to the details with regard to adjusting various individual elements from week-to-week, phase-to-phase and year-to-year are unlike any other coach I've seen. His description of the process Charlie used in "Project World Record" were impressive in terms of the depth of research, integration of training elements and coordination with other service providers. I have numerous training programs he has provided (many of which I sat with him and documented for him, with input on specific elements) and they are all very different (as they were provided for different athletes, with different circumstances - some male, some female, some older, some younger, at different times of year, different stages of development, etc).

    Based on the numerous consultations I've provided with athletes and coaches over the past few years who have "studied" Charlie's presentation materials, I have found that many (if not most of them) have incorrectly applied Charlie's principles, or have simply cut and pasted his training program examples with no regard for their individual circumstances and needs of their athletes. I fear that this is happening more frequently than not. This is particularly the case with his Short-to-Long seminar example. People have told me they wrote up their training program, wanted my input on it, and then proceeded to send me the S-L example Charlie provided. This is not what Charlie had intended.
    Have to agree. I can only interpret what Charlie actually meant, and apply it to my athletes of basic standard, work full time in manual labour jobs or office jobs, and chronic injuries. Is my interpretations correct, I have no idea. I am reluctant to let my athletes see written programmes, because wrote/said athletes will do what they see and not necessarily what they should at the time.

    As for Powell, I hope he can put together a good major championships effort and runs well. Can he lose 25lb (11kg) in 2 months without hindering performance, I hope so.
    Continuing to learn is one thing in life that has to continue.

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    Well put DMA. What you said is what Charlie would have hoped for coaches following his method.

    I have been following Charlie's work since 1986 - that first seminar I attended at the age of 17 years (still have a few notes from that seminar). I have had the opportunity to coach sprinters for the past 20 years, and had the opportunity to work with Charlie for many years. Am I an expert when it comes to the Charlie Francis Training System? I would say I'm not. And, this is after 25 years of following his material. Have his guidelines, assertions and methods made a significant impression on how I coach on a daily basis? Yes - they are pretty hard wired into my system now. In particular, his words about how to be a good coach: "Do what you need to do to make sure the athletes are always improving. Don't let people tell you otherwise what your eyes, ears and instincts are telling you."

    Quote Originally Posted by DMA View Post
    Have to agree. I can only interpret what Charlie actually meant, and apply it to my athletes of basic standard, work full time in manual labour jobs or office jobs, and chronic injuries. Is my interpretations correct, I have no idea. I am reluctant to let my athletes see written programmes, because wrote/said athletes will do what they see and not necessarily what they should at the time.

    As for Powell, I hope he can put together a good major championships effort and runs well. Can he lose 25lb (11kg) in 2 months without hindering performance, I hope so.

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    Thanks No2

    Well stated No 2, its a good reminder to everyone to think hard about their own athletes and how they should be applying CF's principles to help them and not just copy his sample programmes.

    Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NumberTwo View Post
    Don't let people tell you otherwise what your eyes, ears and instincts are telling you."
    Somebody should put together a quote book of numbertwo's and charlie's best quotes.

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