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    Awesome manual, I agree it's very similar to Jim's 5/3/1 manual.

    Quote Originally Posted by RB34 View Post
    BTW, Twhite have you read JTS training manual. With slightly lower volume it may work for sprinters.

    Accumulation (week 1)
    Intensification (week 2)
    Realization (week 3)
    Deload (week 4)

    Block 1: 10's
    Block 2: 8's
    Block 3: 5's
    Block 4: 3's

    For example Block 1: Using 90% of 1rm
    Week 1: 5x10
    Week 2: 3x10
    Week 3: RM test
    Week 4: Unload

    Very similar to 5-3-1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB34 View Post
    BTW, Twhite have you read JTS training manual. With slightly lower volume it may work for sprinters.

    Accumulation (week 1)
    Intensification (week 2)
    Realization (week 3)
    Deload (week 4)

    Block 1: 10's
    Block 2: 8's
    Block 3: 5's
    Block 4: 3's

    For example Block 1: Using 90% of 1rm
    Week 1: 5x10
    Week 2: 3x10
    Week 3: RM test
    Week 4: Unload

    Very similar to 5-3-1.
    5 sets of 10 with 90%?

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    No use 90% of 1rm to figure out your workout sets. 1rm 100lbs use 90lbs for your max

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    I agree with RB34 in the suggestion that a good strength program is a good strength program. Volumes and, during certain training phases, intensity might need to be adjusted so as not to conflict with sprint training demands, especially during later phases of the year, but that needs to be done with any plan.

    Lyle, eat a donut and relax.

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    So what you are suggesting is that a good strength program for football is a good strength program for soccer, a good strength program for bobsled and a good strength program for a 100m sprinter?

    I would have to seriously disagree based on my experience. I would even disagree on the basis of individual differences in athletes within the same sport/event. And, the higher the level of athlete, more individualization and customization will be required.

    What ends up happening is that coaches try to mix and match weight programs based on success in other experiences with different sports and athletes. I would suggest that you do not do this, and spend more time trying to understand the needs of your athlete(s) and the requirements of their sport.

    I work closely with an Olympic lifting coach that I allow to use my facility. He has very good success with his athletes in Olympic lifting competition. I've had good experience with my sprinters. Our training programs don't look anything alike, and we agree wholeheartedly on why there are differences and why these differences must exist.

    Charlie has a good explanation of why you cannot fall into the trap of the "a good strength program is a good strength program" thinking. I will try to get that video clip up to show you what he had to say.

    As he would often comment in his seminars, "The operation was a success, but the patient died." ...meaning, just because you have improvements in the weight room, it doesn't matter. What are your improvements on the track? Lifting is simply a means to an end - unless you are a competition lifter.

    And - a note to all of you - be careful with the personal attacks. I do not want this discussion to degrade - but rather, I would like to see good reasons for why you think a given lifting program is appropriate. Honestly, I still haven't heard a good reason for why the original program was appropriate for sprinters. "Good for sprinters" is a blanket statement. I need to see the details of the sprinting program before I can even comment on the suitability of a given lifting program and associated plyo program.

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    It's good enough for me, I don't care about running at this time. BTW, my clients are having great success in the weightroom and on the field.

    Quote Originally Posted by NumberTwo View Post
    So what you are suggesting is that a good strength program for football is a good strength program for soccer, a good strength program for bobsled and a good strength program for a 100m sprinter?

    I would have to seriously disagree based on my experience. I would even disagree on the basis of individual differences in athletes within the same sport/event. And, the higher the level of athlete, more individualization and customization will be required.

    What ends up happening is that coaches try to mix and match weight programs based on success in other experiences with different sports and athletes. I would suggest that you do not do this, and spend more time trying to understand the needs of your athlete(s) and the requirements of their sport.

    I work closely with an Olympic lifting coach that I allow to use my facility. He has very good success with his athletes in Olympic lifting competition. I've had good experience with my sprinters. Our training programs don't look anything alike, and we agree wholeheartedly on why there are differences and why these differences must exist.

    Charlie has a good explanation of why you cannot fall into the trap of the "a good strength program is a good strength program" thinking. I will try to get that video clip up to show you what he had to say.

    As he would often comment in his seminars, "The operation was a success, but the patient died." ...meaning, just because you have improvements in the weight room, it doesn't matter. What are your improvements on the track? Lifting is simply a means to an end - unless you are a competition lifter.

    And - a note to all of you - be careful with the personal attacks. I do not want this discussion to degrade - but rather, I would like to see good reasons for why you think a given lifting program is appropriate. Honestly, I still haven't heard a good reason for why the original program was appropriate for sprinters. "Good for sprinters" is a blanket statement. I need to see the details of the sprinting program before I can even comment on the suitability of a given lifting program and associated plyo program.

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    I believe you stated that the above weight lifting program was good for sprinters. I'm just trying to expand the discussion to determine why it would be good for sprinters.

    I think passing it off as "it's good enough for me" doesn't help us understand your reasoning for its use by sprinters.

    I'm not picking on you... I just want to understand your reasoning. I think it's important for people to support their assertions with good logic and solid examples of where their philosophy has worked so that the rest of the forum members can get a deeper understanding of how to make good choices for their training and their athlete's training.

    What I am worried about is that someone will take your post and simply start using that approach because you said it was good. I would rather they understand why it may or may not be good, and then make an educated decision on whether or not to apply it with their training.

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    I'm still of the strongly held belief that RB34 (whatever) is just a really lame troll. Someone told me he's supposedly a strength coach somewhere; if so you think he wouldn't be quite this damn ignorant.

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    No problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by NumberTwo View Post
    I believe you stated that the above weight lifting program was good for sprinters. I'm just trying to expand the discussion to determine why it would be good for sprinters.

    I think passing it off as "it's good enough for me" doesn't help us understand your reasoning for its use by sprinters.

    I'm not picking on you... I just want to understand your reasoning. I think it's important for people to support their assertions with good logic and solid examples of where their philosophy has worked so that the rest of the forum members can get a deeper understanding of how to make good choices for their training and their athlete's training.

    What I am worried about is that someone will take your post and simply start using that approach because you said it was good. I would rather they understand why it may or may not be good, and then make an educated decision on whether or not to apply it with their training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lylemcd View Post
    I'm still of the strongly held belief that RB34 (whatever) is just a really lame troll. Someone told me he's supposedly a strength coach somewhere; if so you think he wouldn't be quite this damn ignorant.
    Wow - I must be on your mind - go get laid and get off my jock. Pencil neck, I'm still waiting for you to answer my question?? Btw, does the "mcd" in your name stand for " male crossdresser"?

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