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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    Another question for CF relating to split runs. Is there a limit to how long to stay with these into the comp. period? This coming weekend will be the first outdoor meet.

    I was planning for a 400 guy this week to go with 2 x ( 200 + 100) then transitioning into two full SE reps with complete recovery for next week.

    Also, I noted the variability in the RI between the two reps of 60-90 seconds. I opted for the longer 90 sec. for this phase of split runs as I thought the same guy going through a similar progression for the second time in the same season can likely achieve a greater output and thus require a slightly longer RI. Is this a logical
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    I think the steeper the improvement curve, the likelier you are to use split runs and prob the longer you leave them in. Once the meets really get going though, the meets take over the main SE role and you are probably going to look for sub-max longer runs, which lowers the need for split runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamfb View Post
    Are you saying not to do FEF? Also I may be thinking about one of the athletes Im working with, who comp schedule look like this and the early season meets dont mean much to us.

    Indoor ends March 9, 3-4 weeks to prep for outdoor.

    Outdoor schedule:

    4-Apr
    10-Apr
    17-Apr
    22-Apr
    25-Apr
    2-May big meet
    8-May big meet
    7-Jun: big meet
    I'm just wondering how to fit everything in as you don't have much time. As long as the intensity isn't too high and you feel they're responding well to it, it should be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Francis View Post
    I think the steeper the improvement curve, the likelier you are to use split runs and prob the longer you leave them in. Once the meets really get going though, the meets take over the main SE role and you are probably going to look for sub-max longer runs, which lowers the need for split runs.
    Okay, thanks.

    So does the increased rest of split runs from 60 to 90seconds lend itself to greater intensification, the second time around?

    I'd never actually, previously, considered doing sub-max SE runs in the training except for the peaking/tapering phase.

    So I guess at 95% they would be fast enough to provide stimulation without taking fatigue into the meet?

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    Charlie--

    Would you say the volumes in the Vanc'04 DVD were atypical of what could be performed with MOST athletes? You describe weeks that have more than 2000m of speed work and two SE workouts a week, each having more than 20x60m. That seems quite high on the surface and some other coaches (Henk Kra. for example) have noted that their athletes couldn't handle close to those volumes for 60s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Francis View Post
    I'm just wondering how to fit everything in as you don't have much time. As long as the intensity isn't too high and you feel they're responding well to it, it should be ok.
    CF what would you do with a 400m runner this week, if he had conference last week and ncaa's this week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamfb View Post
    CF what would you do with a 400m runner this week, if he had conference last week and ncaa's this week?
    Very little, I suspect. How many races at the conference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fogelson View Post
    Charlie--

    Would you say the volumes in the Vanc'04 DVD were atypical of what could be performed with MOST athletes? You describe weeks that have more than 2000m of speed work and two SE workouts a week, each having more than 20x60m. That seems quite high on the surface and some other coaches (Henk Kra. for example) have noted that their athletes couldn't handle close to those volumes for 60s.
    These are examples from some individuals and are intended to be adjusted to suit the individual. Henk Kra. also did a lot more bounding than we did so that might well change the volume. As well, you need to allow for how often the runs are max vs sub-max. look aat the accel limits on the right side column to see how far the athlete accelerates to get a better idea of how hard it actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    Okay, thanks.

    So does the increased rest of split runs from 60 to 90seconds lend itself to greater intensification, the second time around?

    I'd never actually, previously, considered doing sub-max SE runs in the training except for the peaking/tapering phase.

    So I guess at 95% they would be fast enough to provide stimulation without taking fatigue into the meet?

    And this one too. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    And this one too. Thanks.
    It would depend on execution rate.
    The same pace with shortened breaks is intensified.
    Longer breaks leading to higher execution rate could also lead to intensification.

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    I think it's definitely the latter. The slightly longer intra-set recovery along with having gone through a similar progression once in the last few months has led to faster split runs. Hopefully this will, in turn, lead to better full length SE runs and ultimately faster race performances.

    On a side note, not that there would be any surprise on your part, but I'm the one you noted you should charge by the question in one of your High Octane articles from years ago.

    I guess not a lot has changed on my side but I do, always, appreciate your help in clarifying.

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